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"content": "From what I understand a freezer is able to cycle on and off to maintain temperature. A google search suggests around 100 watts should be able to run a freezer. I have seen people who hook up a thermostat to help with power consumption by turning up the temperature thrshold.",
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"content": "If it is 100 watts you’ll just multiply 100* required hours running to get the watt hours number that you will need to pick out the right battery",
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"content": "any input on what type of battery is best for a budget? I know some people just use deep cycle batteries. They are cheape but from what I understand the downside is they dont last as long",
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"content": "ok thanks for your help!",
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