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<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-846484822242230332 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=846484822242230332><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/f85473df24e82818bc889e8806cd53fc-DF3BC.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=paleoracle data-user-id=573921462143025162>PaleOracle</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, May 24, 2021 10:28 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-846484822242230332>5/24/2021 10:28 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Not sure if this is mentioned anywhere, but the Wall Module Cheatsheets have color coded wall modules(I think). What do these mean? Should there be a legend added to the sheet?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-857426786208055307 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=857426786208055307><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=marcin1242 data-user-id=823397916491513858>Marcin</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, June 24, 2021 3:07 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-857426786208055307>6/24/2021 3:07 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Yes. Join effort as discussed at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/398759490316633/posts/1642610495931520/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/398759490316633/posts/1642610495931520/</a>. We need build cheatsheets and full CAD for every module in FreeCAD.</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/398759490316633/posts/1642610495931520/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Log In or Sign Up to View</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">See posts, photos and more on Facebook.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870088679568343151 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870088679568343151><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/7ae59e77433a1eb8baae44b1e29c212a-6602D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=wesxdz data-user-id=230472437265989635>Wesxdz</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:41 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870088679568343151>7/29/2021 1:41 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_air_quality">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_air_quality</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_air_quality><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Indoor air quality</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Indoor air quality (IAQ) is the air quality within and around buildings and structures. IAQ is known to affect the health, comfort, and well-being of building occupants. Poor indoor air quality has been linked to sick building syndrome, reduced productivity, and impaired learning in schools.
IAQ can be affected by gases (including carbon monoxid...</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/1200px-Stacken_0c149d_1755-A2523.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/1200px-Stacken_0c149d_1755-A2523.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090307335778344 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090307335778344><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:48 AM">1:48 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><code class="chatlog__markdown-pre chatlog__markdown-pre--multiline nohighlight"> limit carbon dioxide to 1,500 ppm </code></span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090363841433661 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090363841433661><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:48 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090363841433661>7/29/2021 1:48 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>ideally 400</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=BreadShocked><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=BreadShocked src=media-ose/814240151215144989-15602.png loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>2</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090475946774589 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090475946774589><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/7ae59e77433a1eb8baae44b1e29c212a-6602D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=wesxdz data-user-id=230472437265989635>Wesxdz</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:48 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090475946774589>7/29/2021 1:48 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>that&#39;s nice to know</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090517130649650 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090517130649650><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:49 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090517130649650>7/29/2021 1:49 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I mean normal air is like 400</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090618389549136 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090618389549136><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/7ae59e77433a1eb8baae44b1e29c212a-6602D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=wesxdz data-user-id=230472437265989635>Wesxdz</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:49 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090618389549136>7/29/2021 1:49 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I haven&#39;t taken any measurements of HabLab, but I&#39;ve become very interested in HVAC since moving in here...</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090619387797544 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090619387797544><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:49 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090619387797544>7/29/2021 1:49 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="wesxdz">@Wesxdz</span> has reached level <strong>8</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090633090580601 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090633090580601><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:49 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090633090580601>7/29/2021 1:49 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>gotta find it but apparently cognitive ability declines 10-15% at 1500ppm?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870090675096539176 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870090675096539176><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/7ae59e77433a1eb8baae44b1e29c212a-6602D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=ownerofown>OwnerOfOwn</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'870090633090580601')"> gotta find it but apparently cognitive ability declines 10-15% at 1500ppm? </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=wesxdz data-user-id=230472437265989635>Wesxdz</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:49 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870090675096539176>7/29/2021 1:49 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>that&#39;s wild</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091040940519434 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091040940519434><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:51 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870091040940519434>7/29/2021 1:51 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>if ppm of CO2 goes to 675 humanity as a species will have 10-15% less cognitive capacity</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091090735276082 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091090735276082><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:51 AM">1:51 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://youtu.be/1Nh_vxpycEA">https://youtu.be/1Nh_vxpycEA</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBa659QWEk1AI4Tg--mrJ2A><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Tom Scott</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nh_vxpycEA"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">This Is Your Brain On Stale Air</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/1Nh_vxpycEA width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091199044800574 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091199044800574><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:51 AM">1:51 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>for outdoor air quality</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091248797630494 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091248797630494><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:51 AM">1:51 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>has given a whole new meaning to &quot;go get some fresh air&quot;</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091361863467038 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091361863467038><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:52 AM">1:52 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>so yeah 1500ppm inside is literally making us monkeys according to this narrative</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=monkey_face><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=🐵 src=media-ose/1f435-832F2.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div><div class=chatlog__reaction title=golden_ferris><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=golden_ferris src=media-ose/682327200057393162-DFABF.png loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870091731268427886 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870091731268427886><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:53 AM">1:53 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>would love to see some carbon scrubbers which [could also be achieved by CAES/LAES systems as compressing atmospheric gasses to cryogenic states inherently needs to scrub carbon at some point. then those could be blended out to nice cool air</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870092079873785917 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870092079873785917><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:55 AM">1:55 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>gimme a sls stainless powder printer and I&#39;ll give you a crygoenic dewar with a compressor input and a turbine output</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870092934865891328 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870092934865891328><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:58 AM">1:58 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Or a ton of 316 series stainless, a hydraulic english wheel a nice AC tig welder and some SAE fittings and we&#39;ll get it going</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870093082102759474 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870093082102759474><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:59 AM">1:59 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>or a 300L nitrogen dewar with a few overpriced off-the-shelf components</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870367693843361943 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870367693843361943><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=ownerofown>OwnerOfOwn</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'870091731268427886')"> would love to see some carbon scrubbers which [could also be achieved by CAES/LAES systems as compressing atmospheric gasses to cryogenic states inherently needs to scrub carbon at some point. then those could be blended out to nice cool air </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=yfgame data-user-id=714607126927900673>yfgame</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 8:10 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870367693843361943>7/29/2021 8:10 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Sodium hydroxide scrubs co2</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=eyes><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👀 src=media-ose/1f440-6C64D.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870367806867251231 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870367806867251231><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 29, 2021 8:10 PM">8:10 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>And is reversible</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870881216147128341 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870881216147128341><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:11 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870881216147128341>7/31/2021 6:11 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I may move my rambling on this to <span class="chatlog__markdown-mention">#hvacr-stuff</span> as well if anyone is interested, but i was plotting some sort of universal Indoor Air Quality Sensor type thing, Temperature, Humidity, VOC Sensor, CO2 sensor, particulate matter sensing etc</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870881718398255114 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870881718398255114><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:13 AM">6:13 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Magical dream world would have per-room sensors like this, but granted real world has <em>budgets</em> and whatnot, but yeah.
Probably 1 per home is more reasonable
Can be networked with HVAC for activating cooling/heating and/or humidification/dehumidification once certain parameters are reached etc</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870881988192661514 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870881988192661514><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:14 AM">6:14 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I would <em>probably</em> keep smoke detection, and probably also Carbon Monoxide Detection seperate (for ease of maitnence / inspection + using certified OTS units for something so critical), but in theory those could be put on the same board / in the same device as well</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-870882084783263805 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870882084783263805><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 31, 2021 6:14 AM">6:14 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>You could also put one in-line with the ventilation system too i would imagine</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-870894291092897842 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=870894291092897842><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:02 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-870894291092897842>7/31/2021 7:02 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><strong>On another note</strong> Not certain where to put it, but this channel does all sorts of neat builds / visits to trade shows/ build sites (maybe even a future OBI build...!), but they have been doing some neat work / documentation with a house the y are building to / above the &quot;Passive House&quot; standard, and it&#39;s really neat, and worth a look if you have the time in my opinion:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos">https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Matt Risinger</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Welcome to The BUILD Show! Dedicated to Building Science and Fine Craftsmanship. My name is Matt Risinger and I&#39;m a Builder in Austin TX who is passionate about High Performance Construction and every home I build it&#39;s my goal to be a bit better than the last home. On this channel you&#39;ll see me talking about Building Science, Insulation, Air ...</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/AKedOLR2VubYtgqNq3DrH1dvjCGAu6Qz45iOlMO5hA-AAF5B> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/AKedOLR2VubYtgqNq3DrH1dvjCGAu6Qz45iOlMO5hA-AAF5B alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=eyes><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👀 src=media-ose/1f440-6C64D.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-871554823735083138 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=871554823735083138><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze>Eric Lotze</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'870894291092897842')"> <strong>On another note</strong> Not certain where to put it, but this channel does all sorts of neat builds / visits to trade shows/ build sites (maybe even a future OBI build...!), but they have been doing some neat work / documentation with a house the y are building to / above the &quot;Passive House&quot; standard, and it&#39;s really neat, and worth a look if you have the time in my opinion:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos">https://www.youtube.com/c/MattRisinger/videos</a> </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 2, 2021 2:47 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-871554823735083138>8/2/2021 2:47 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I think <span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="odundo.">@Odundo</span> was telling me about this.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-871745678764822569 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=871745678764822569><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/1-B2132.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=odundo. data-user-id=860200375448764466>Odundo</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 2, 2021 3:26 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-871745678764822569>8/2/2021 3:26 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Yeah open source principles are very common in high-efficiency building. Also check out the passive house accelerator. <a href="https://youtube.com/c/PassiveHouseAccelerator">https://youtube.com/c/PassiveHouseAccelerator</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://youtube.com/c/PassiveHouseAccelerator><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Passive House Accelerator</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Catalyst for zero carbon buildings. We bring you the best perspectives, insights, and lessons learned from the Passive House and high-performance building community: Architects, Builders, Consultants, City Officials, Owners, Building Product Suppliers, and more.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/AKedOLTW-AxBPt2VlBHj4CZJaDCjkpYDz0KBtQfoca-E7F74> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/AKedOLTW-AxBPt2VlBHj4CZJaDCjkpYDz0KBtQfoca-E7F74 alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=thumbsup><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👍 src=media-ose/1f44d-27259.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>2</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-871752978959302687 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=871752978959302687><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/ebf7c49955b3fa7e00b9ade692611b11-BC29D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ppcapispain data-user-id=303981277390831616>PPCapiSpain</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 2, 2021 3:55 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-871752978959302687>8/2/2021 3:55 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Hello. currently there are all types of probes: temperature, humidity, air quality, etc ... but the cost is quite high.</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=100><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=💯 src=media-ose/1f4af-4CFF5.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-871752980423123014 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=871752980423123014><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 2, 2021 3:55 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-871752980423123014>8/2/2021 3:55 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="ppcapispain">@PPCapiSpain</span> has reached level <strong>2</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-873737386742407188 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=873737386742407188><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/2c298b90ec031a6c231d3fe0841eff38-C0EC3.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/ebf7c49955b3fa7e00b9ade692611b11-BC29D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=ppcapispain>PPCapiSpain</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'871752978959302687')"> Hello. currently there are all types of probes: temperature, humidity, air quality, etc ... but the cost is quite high. </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=cryptogothslowdao8302 data-user-id=756755259355037766>Paul Pham</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, August 8, 2021 3:20 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-873737386742407188>8/8/2021 3:20 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>also, alien probes, where the cost is the highest</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-873801949517078538 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=873801949517078538><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/7ae59e77433a1eb8baae44b1e29c212a-6602D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/2c298b90ec031a6c231d3fe0841eff38-C0EC3.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=cryptogothslowdao8302>Paul Pham</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'873737386742407188')"> also, alien probes, where the cost is the highest </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=wesxdz data-user-id=230472437265989635>Wesxdz</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, August 8, 2021 7:36 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-873801949517078538>8/8/2021 7:36 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I would recommend you build a von Neumann probe to reduce the cost</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-873850875595087872 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=873850875595087872><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/ebf7c49955b3fa7e00b9ade692611b11-BC29D.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ppcapispain data-user-id=303981277390831616>PPCapiSpain</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:51 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-873850875595087872>8/8/2021 10:51 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Neumann prob&#233;?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-873961714448732210 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=873961714448732210><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/2c298b90ec031a6c231d3fe0841eff38-C0EC3.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=cryptogothslowdao8302 data-user-id=756755259355037766>Paul Pham</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, August 8, 2021 6:11 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-873961714448732210>8/8/2021 6:11 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I think the sensor on the D3D that detects whether the print head is close to the bed is called a Neumann probe.
However, von Neumann was such a prolific thinker, he also thought of a completely different kind of probe named after him
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft#Von_Neumann_probes">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft#Von_Neumann_probes</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Self-replicating spacecraft</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">The idea of self-replicating spacecraft has been applied – in theory – to several distinct &quot;tasks&quot;. The particular variant of this idea applied to the idea of space exploration is known as a von Neumann probe, after being conceived by mathematician John von Neumann. Other variants include the Berserker and an automated terraforming seeder ship.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-874169602911903765 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=874169602911903765><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/c9cfe319963eb619a7412175759ee00b-2F0D7.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=nohbdyahtall data-user-id=200423697616601088>Nohbdy Ahtall</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 9, 2021 7:57 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-874169602911903765>8/9/2021 7:57 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I&#39;m an extreme fan of self-replicating, please yes</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-874169603469754419 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=874169603469754419><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, August 9, 2021 7:57 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-874169603469754419>8/9/2021 7:57 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="nohbdyahtall">@Nohbdy Ahtall</span> has reached level <strong>14</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358087097438219 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358087097438219><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d0ec7c6456bffbd13fa7d69f61b44646-67B11.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=aquamammal data-user-id=537317037349797909>aquamammal</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:07 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-877358087097438219>8/18/2021 3:07 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRjtilm_bYA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRjtilm_bYA</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXEQsK3UiHszjwgGN5HUeQ><div class=chatlog__embed-author>RR Buildings</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRjtilm_bYA"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Building A Large Post Frame Work Shop Full Time-lapse Construction</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/PRjtilm_bYA width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=eye><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👁️ src=media-ose/1f441-405F2.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>2</span></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358148967624774 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358148967624774><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:08 AM">3:08 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>anyone here follow RR buildings?</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358243322662912 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358243322662912><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:08 AM">3:08 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>this type of construction isn&#39;t mainstream yet</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358286016483328 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358286016483328><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:08 AM">3:08 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>but look at what 2 people and some machinery can do</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358367620857896 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358367620857896><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:08 AM">3:08 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>they have a whole series that goes into detail on this hunting lodge build</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358379931172865 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358379931172865><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:08 AM">3:08 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>it&#39;s insane</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877358422834675733 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877358422834675733><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:09 AM">3:09 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>open source scissor lift ya&#39;ll</span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:09 AM">(edited)</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=smiley><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=😃 src=media-ose/1f603-5E531.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-877394825341710376 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877394825341710376><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:33 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-877394825341710376>8/18/2021 5:33 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>oh i thought you meant they made one... still really great video / concept though</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877395096285368320 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877395096285368320><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:34 AM">5:34 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Seemed like they have 2 scissor lifts, and one Skid-steer loader kind of thing</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877395233149685760 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877395233149685760><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:35 AM">5:35 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Also a post hole digging attachment for the loader (as well as standard bucket, and forks i think i saw?)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877395403924983878 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877395403924983878><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:36 AM">5:36 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Lifetrac is a bit less polished i guess (maybe just visually/enclosed cabin or whatnot), but overall has the role of the Skid-steer loader covered</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877395483159588984 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877395483159588984><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:36 AM">5:36 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I will go look and see if OSE has made a post hole digger attachment yet</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877396198292594760 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877396198292594760><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:39 AM">5:39 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Doesn&#39;t entirely seem so, there is this basic page (just seems to show OTS options):</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877396299761217566 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877396299761217566><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:39 AM">5:39 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Post_Hole_Digger">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Post_Hole_Digger</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877397270612553778 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877397270612553778><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:43 AM">5:43 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Also mentioned in these pages:
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/LifeTrac_III/Research_Development">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/LifeTrac_III/Research_Development</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cordless_Tools">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cordless_Tools</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Open_Source_Agriculture_Equipment_Proposal">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Open_Source_Agriculture_Equipment_Proposal</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/ESW_Project_-_Universal_Rotor">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/ESW_Project_-_Universal_Rotor</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Universal_Rotor_Dashboard">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Universal_Rotor_Dashboard</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Other_CSK_v0.01_Machines">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Other_CSK_v0.01_Machines</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877397493925679134 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877397493925679134><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:44 AM">5:44 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I hate the name (me the terminology snob), but i guess &quot;Earth Auger&quot; (or as i&#39;d prefer, but is less common, and still not optimal) &quot;Post Hole Auger&quot; is the correct term</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877397584493281290 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877397584493281290><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:44 AM">5:44 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Post Hole Digger refers to those manual clamp like ones</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877397673760677971 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877397673760677971><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:45 AM">5:45 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hole_digger">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hole_digger</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877397738143244338 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877397738143244338><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:45 AM">5:45 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_auger">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_auger</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877398391636779058 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877398391636779058><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:47 AM">5:47 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__attachment><a href=media-ose/MC-Auger-Drive-PLAN2-D6CE5.png> <img class=chatlog__attachment-media src=media-ose/MC-Auger-Drive-PLAN2-D6CE5.png alt="Image attachment" title="Image: MC-Auger-Drive-PLAN2.png (685.89 KB)" loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877398436117352450 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877398436117352450><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:48 AM">5:48 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>we&#39;d want something like that i guess so</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877398571001991178 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877398571001991178><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 5:48 AM">5:48 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Universal mounting plate - universal rotor - auger (maybe a dust shield in front of the universal rotor too)</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-877648944535048294 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877648944535048294><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 10:23 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-877648944535048294>8/18/2021 10:23 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I made pages on them:
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Earth_Auger">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Earth_Auger</a>
<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Post_Hole_Digger">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Post_Hole_Digger</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Earth_Auger><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Earth Auger</div></a></div></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Post_Hole_Digger><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Post Hole Digger</div></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-877649176974995557 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877649176974995557><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/d0ec7c6456bffbd13fa7d69f61b44646-67B11.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=aquamammal>aquamammal</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'877358087097438219')"> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRjtilm_bYA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRjtilm_bYA</a> </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 18, 2021 10:24 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-877649176974995557>8/18/2021 10:24 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I think i might call that method you mentioned in this &quot;Mechanized Barn Raising&quot;, what do you think of that name pre-me making the page?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-877706783093850154 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877706783093850154><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:13 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-877706783093850154>8/19/2021 2:13 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtaWa7Pwgw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtaWa7Pwgw</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjvBN1r7UXXqmIbx_u7bIAw><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Marcin Jakubowski</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtaWa7Pwgw"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Rigid Roof Insulation and EPDM Membrane Install</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/sbtaWa7Pwgw width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-877706873845973073 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=877706873845973073><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:13 AM">2:13 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Is that membrane the final roof layer, or is there something like a steel roof going over that?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-890740732061683782 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=890740732061683782><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb data-user-id=331483365263802370>laloeb</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, September 24, 2021 1:25 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-890740732061683782>9/24/2021 1:25 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>When we built the Seed Home v3, I kept wondering if we could make the wall modules smaller. Meet Gablok, the insulated block. <a href="https://gablok.be/en/">https://gablok.be/en/</a> I don&#39;t fully understand how wires and pipes are routed in the system, but I didn&#39;t look into it for long. I wonder if it&#39;s patented in the US. <img
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<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-892796888930205778 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=892796888930205778><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze>Eric Lotze</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'877706873845973073')"> Is that membrane the final roof layer, or is there something like a steel roof going over that? </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:36 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-892796888930205778>9/29/2021 5:36 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I haven&#39;t been out to the site in awhile, but I don&#39;t think the membrane is the final layer. Almost all other buildings at FeF have metal roofing, so I&#39;d imagine the same for Seed Home v2.
white to reflect away most of the heat in the summer time.
I do think we need multiple leakproof layers: the EPDM membrane, perhaps rigid foam insulation with sealant, underlayment, and then the metal roofing .</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-892839909897961552 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=892839909897961552><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=life_long_learner>Paul P.</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'892796888930205778')"> I haven&#39;t been out to the site in awhile, but I don&#39;t think the membrane is the final layer. Almost all other buildings at FeF have metal roofing, so I&#39;d imagine the same for Seed Home v2.
white to reflect away most of the heat in the summer time.
I do think we need multiple leakproof layers: the EPDM membrane, perhaps rigid foam insulation with sealant, underlayment, and then the metal roofing . </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=jeffh9531 data-user-id=861611319903387669>JeffH</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, September 29, 2021 8:27 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-892839909897961552>9/29/2021 8:27 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>As far as I know it’s final layer. Unless you count the solar panels going on top. I’m working on the roof today finishing the panels around the top so the termination bar can be installed for holding down the epdm.</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=raised_hands><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=🙌 src=media-ose/1f64c-7C820.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-892842181130350672 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=892842181130350672><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, September 29, 2021 8:36 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-892842181130350672>9/29/2021 8:36 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Awesome thanks for doing that <span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="jeffh9531">@JeffH</span> ! Solar panels are a great final layer.
Looking forward to our first house party there.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-892874617658683472 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=892874617658683472><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/8a95f032ec0241605c5c1aa24d8a1837-3AC80.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb>laloeb</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'890740732061683782')"> When we built the Seed Home v3, I kept wondering if we could make the wall modules smaller. Meet Gablok, the insulated block. <a href="https://gablok.be/en/">https://gablok.be/en/</a> I don&#39;t fully understand how wires and pipes are routed in the system, but I didn&#39;t look into it for long. I wonder if it&#39;s patented in the US. <img
loading="lazy"
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alt="🤔"
title="thinking"
src="media-ose/1f914-15707.svg"> </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=natb8159 data-user-id=712861319686127626>NatB</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, September 29, 2021 10:44 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-892874617658683472>9/29/2021 10:44 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>FB showed me this the other day! Thought similarly &amp; also wondered if Anthony knew about this for his collection of building methods <img
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<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-895512139459076157 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=895512139459076157><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:25 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-895512139459076157>10/7/2021 5:25 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Some cool block products <a href="https://youtu.be/VxClOdqDGQ8">https://youtu.be/VxClOdqDGQ8</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtSGuVQVej-vjeSv_xF-8BQ><div class=chatlog__embed-author>CGS Tech</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxClOdqDGQ8"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">5 Innovative BUILDING SYSTEMS for your house #3</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/VxClOdqDGQ8 width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-902808324523835442 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=902808324523835442><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/bfda12c56791ee8bacac0539df072826-465AA.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(237,146,238) title=hkienle data-user-id=860164694510010429>hkienle</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, October 27, 2021 8:37 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-902808324523835442>10/27/2021 8:37 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/house-construction-costs-spike-most-since-1979-amid-materials-shortages-unfinished-houses-pile-up-total-inventory-highest-since-2008-prices-spike-as-low-end-dies/">https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/house-construction-costs-spike-most-since-1979-amid-materials-shortages-unfinished-houses-pile-up-total-inventory-highest-since-2008-prices-spike-as-low-end-dies/</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/house-construction-costs-spike-most-since-1979-amid-materials-shortages-unfinished-houses-pile-up-total-inventory-highest-since-2008-prices-spike-as-low-end-dies/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">House Construction Costs Spike Most since 1979 amid Materials Short...</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">A peek into the glass and windows shortage.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/us-new-house-sales-2021-10-26-price-A784F.png> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/us-new-house-sales-2021-10-26-price-A784F.png alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-908441198329466909 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=908441198329466909><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, November 11, 2021 8:40 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-908441198329466909>11/11/2021 8:40 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>i didn&#39;t realize glass and windows were in short supply <img
loading="lazy"
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alt="😮"
title="open_mouth"
src="media-ose/1f62e-FE396.svg"> fascinating</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-908556544608722994 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=908556544608722994><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=life_long_learner>Paul P.</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'908441198329466909')"> i didn&#39;t realize glass and windows were in short supply <img
loading="lazy"
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alt="😮"
title="open_mouth"
src="media-ose/1f62e-FE396.svg"> fascinating </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, November 12, 2021 4:19 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-908556544608722994>11/12/2021 4:19 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Took my mom 4 weeks to get the wrong windows delivered, another 5 to get their replacements. Now the neighbor thinks she is deliberately sabataging her construction with malicious intent because the neighbor has never seen a construction site.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-908732730911641701 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=908732730911641701><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, November 12, 2021 3:59 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-908732730911641701>11/12/2021 3:59 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Why would someone deliberately sabotage their own construction site?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-908733065302532136 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=908733065302532136><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/d398db1f5744d92bef80fe21e0f01b65-114F0.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ownerofown data-user-id=196527868417802240>OwnerOfOwn</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, November 12, 2021 4:00 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-908733065302532136>11/12/2021 4:00 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>my thoughts exactly, my mom&#39;s neighbor has some very interesting thought processes</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-908781174246232114 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=908781174246232114><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/1-B2132.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=coderjeff data-user-id=466038071511482368>coderjeff</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, November 12, 2021 7:11 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-908781174246232114>11/12/2021 7:11 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I&#39;m in a new subdivision where the house across the street has all of the windows in except for one. It&#39;s been a month and they can&#39;t move on to sheet rock without passing inspection. It won&#39;t pass until the final window shows up and is installed. I see similar delays all around.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-909221979322740746 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=909221979322740746><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/bfda12c56791ee8bacac0539df072826-465AA.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(237,146,238) title=hkienle>hkienle</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'902808324523835442')"> <a href="https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/house-construction-costs-spike-most-since-1979-amid-materials-shortages-unfinished-houses-pile-up-total-inventory-highest-since-2008-prices-spike-as-low-end-dies/">https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/house-construction-costs-spike-most-since-1979-amid-materials-shortages-unfinished-houses-pile-up-total-inventory-highest-since-2008-prices-spike-as-low-end-dies/</a> </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, November 14, 2021 12:23 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-909221979322740746>11/14/2021 12:23 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I have an alternative theory. The U.S. is printing money at a large scale, leading to inflation. So more dollars are available via stimulus to buy goods such as a house, but these are all competing for a scarce supply due to COVID.
So perhaps this is not a classic bubble where people invest and take out mortgages in the hopes that prices continue to rise</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-909222051053699133 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=909222051053699133><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Sunday, November 14, 2021 12:23 AM">12:23 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="odundo.">@Odundo</span> or someone who actually knows economics please correct me <img
loading="lazy"
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alt="🙂"
title="slight_smile"
src="media-ose/1f642-83E8A.svg"></span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-909281717246898197 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=909281717246898197><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/2-ADBB4.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=paulum3036 data-user-id=860212895501778954>Paulum</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:20 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-909281717246898197>11/14/2021 4:20 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>The US economy tanked when we left Vietnam too. Backlash from the wealth transfer for war goods. I think real estate is just another bubble. If you want to study some real printing money schemes look at private equity. Multiple leveraged with little to no regulatory over site. Next crash will probably be covered by majority working people. Not real sure how it will compare with 2008 I think larger being as what SEC and banking regulations that are left are quite relaxed. Some congress people are trying to reinstate regulations that were put together after the 1929-30 depression. Big banks and wealthy people have pretty much had their way to eliminate these. Yes the EU banks are in all the way too.
Something that is not talked about is we pay for war with inflation so the majority pays because of reduced purchasing power. Rich own the stocks of the companies and make out. Another part of this is to keep the little people thinking stocks are too complicated to self invest. The ugly note here is little people end up using mutual funds for investment and retirement. Some of the mutual funds end up in private equity..... Quite a bloody game it is......</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-909448858134798386 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=909448858134798386><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/2-ADBB4.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=paulum3036 data-user-id=860212895501778954>Paulum</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, November 14, 2021 3:25 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-909448858134798386>11/14/2021 3:25 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>A thought about &quot;shortages&quot; is it possible that decision makers have been using artificial intelligence to solve &quot;unsolvable problems&quot; using too small or narrow of data bases that has shifted what was a reasonable supply chain? Then bad business decisions have been made. One if the big contributors to semiconductor shortages is so much of our world is using legacy technology which is a fancy term for obsolete. The foundries that are making semiconductors are making new technology designs and the market of the world is huge for them. Business decisions have been made in the US to not make the investment to stay with new designs. I have found the designs for using Raspberry Pi for automotive computers great fun. The amount of creativity available and the tools that are available now is incredible.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-909459440787419236 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=909459440787419236><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/2-ADBB4.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=paulum3036>Paulum</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'909448858134798386')"> A thought about &quot;shortages&quot; is it possible that decision makers have been using artificial intelligence to solve &quot;unsolvable problems&quot; using too small or narrow of data bases that has shifted what was a reasonable supply chain? Then bad business decisions have been made. One if the big contributors to semiconductor shortages is so much of our world is using legacy technology which is a fancy term for obsolete. The foundries that are making semiconductors are making new technology designs and the market of the world is huge for them. Business decisions have been made in the US to not make the investment to stay with new designs. I have found the designs for using Raspberry Pi for automotive computers great fun. The amount of creativity available and the tools that are available now is incredible. </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=yfgame data-user-id=714607126927900673>yfgame</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:07 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-909459440787419236>11/14/2021 4:07 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Yes, as far as I understand it is two things.
One is disruptions made by COVID and bad business decisions, like say Ford and GM have shortages.
While Tesla and Toyota do not.
And the second thing is the concentration of these technologies and the complexity of the modern supply chain.
So say all advanced microprocessors are made in Taiwan and they have issues from draughts to wars ect. it creates problems.
Also you have very complex just in time supply chains which really disrupt things.
As for using open source micros, that is a great idea! and a open source car in general.
Using ARM processors like Arduino and Raspberry pi, and RISC processors for more complex operations.
Thing is that you still have to manufacture them somewhere, so that is a problem, should be easier through....</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-913992027413311538 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=913992027413311538><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, November 27, 2021 4:18 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-913992027413311538>11/27/2021 4:18 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpZ4aHP6II">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpZ4aHP6II</a>
More-urban design related, but i found it to be a good critique</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa-GHSOHFAjU0-Ie57A><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Adam Something</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpZ4aHP6II"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Dubai&#39;s Sustainable City Is A &quot;Green&quot; Fever Dream</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/IhpZ4aHP6II width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-917516578847850527 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=917516578847850527><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, December 6, 2021 9:43 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-917516578847850527>12/6/2021 9:43 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Critiques are important, sustainable / regenerative buildings need to be a conversation to engage everyone, not just a few privileged people. I look forward to watching it later</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-917516623869509652 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=917516623869509652><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, December 6, 2021 9:43 PM">9:43 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>The critiques might also apply to the Linear City in Saudi Arabia</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-928413747800838195 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=928413747800838195><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3dbed502bf175db1d156449b1fb2e357-3EF73.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=ianvai data-user-id=636836439115563018>vaiian</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, January 5, 2022 11:24 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-928413747800838195>1/5/2022 11:24 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>or AKON CITY. who knows if it&#39;ll every get off the ground, but I admire the vision.
<a href="https://youtu.be/-UdXHtrs_Ho">https://youtu.be/-UdXHtrs_Ho</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6IBMCQ6-d7p41KHxOsq4RA><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Akon</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UdXHtrs_Ho"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">THIS IS AKONCITY</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/-UdXHtrs_Ho width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=grey_marcin><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=grey_marcin src=media-ose/870861870691668008-8743D.png loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930079437981089793 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930079437981089793><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:43 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930079437981089793>1/10/2022 1:43 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Continuing from around here:
<a href="https://discord.com/channels/700486873272811562/700486873272811565/930079284406681650" onclick="scrollToMessage(event, '930079284406681650')">https://discord.com/channels/700486873272811562/700486873272811565/930079284406681650</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930079469379653684 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930079469379653684><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:43 PM">1:43 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__attachment><a href=media-ose/IMG_7812-749B6.png> <img class=chatlog__attachment-media src=media-ose/IMG_7812-749B6.png alt="Image attachment" title="Image: IMG_7812.png (182.73 KB)" loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930079594818723870 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930079594818723870><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:44 PM">1:44 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><ul><li>Iron-Air Batteries (some development, but low TRL as of now ish)</li></ul></span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:45 PM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930079676465041458 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930079676465041458><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:44 PM">1:44 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><ul><li>Flywheel Energy Storage (Existing OTS Units, low TRL for OS Designs, also relatively complex design, but highly appropriate materials)</li></ul></span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:46 PM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930079849488482344 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930079849488482344><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:45 PM">1:45 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><ul><li>Synthetic methane via hydrogen eating bacteria and/or reverse microbial fuel cells <strong>Would be able to use existing biogas storage, as well as potentially even the biodigestor format</strong></li></ul></span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:46 PM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930081558503755836 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930081558503755836><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:52 PM">1:52 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Also biomass collection / farming + automatic switchover could cover those “outages”</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930081893754474506 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930081893754474506><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM">1:53 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>ie farm bamboo and/or native grasses for charcoal and/or collect local fallen wood and/or sustainably manage a nearby forest and/or Algae Farming + Oil Press (or batch htl kiln) / Burner+Gasifier</span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930082016903454760 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930082016903454760><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:53 PM">1:53 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Then use those fuel reserves to run the generator and/or thermoelectric stove</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930082066312343562 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930082066312343562><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:54 PM">1:54 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Also adsorption refrigerators if applicable</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930129919374135308 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930129919374135308><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze>Eric Lotze</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'930079849488482344')"> <ul><li>Synthetic methane via hydrogen eating bacteria and/or reverse microbial fuel cells <strong>Would be able to use existing biogas storage, as well as potentially even the biodigestor format</strong></li></ul> </span> <span class=chatlog__reply-edited-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 1:46 PM">(edited)</span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=yfgame data-user-id=714607126927900673>yfgame</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:04 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930129919374135308>1/10/2022 5:04 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>check out the reaction of CO2 + H2 -&gt; CH4 + H2O (basically reverse steam cracking)
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction</a>
If you are just interested in large scale efficient production</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930130429254701097 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930130429254701097><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:06 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930130429254701097>1/10/2022 5:06 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>That too! The channel is a mess, but i also have a Wiki Category, but <span class="chatlog__markdown-mention">#bio-petrochemistry</span> if for my plotting of all that. The real tricky bit is catalysts, pressures, and tempuratures.
They all can be done small scale, but don&#39;t make as much sense, at least in my Opinion</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930132458727440435 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930132458727440435><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze>Eric Lotze</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'930130429254701097')"> That too! The channel is a mess, but i also have a Wiki Category, but <span class="chatlog__markdown-mention">#bio-petrochemistry</span> if for my plotting of all that. The real tricky bit is catalysts, pressures, and tempuratures.
They all can be done small scale, but don&#39;t make as much sense, at least in my Opinion </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=yfgame data-user-id=714607126927900673>yfgame</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:14 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930132458727440435>1/10/2022 5:14 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Na, this reaction doesn&#39;t need any real catalyst and it is not a complex reaction,
You are probably confusing it with the systhesis reaction to make higher level hydrocarbons (that is petrol)
This is a very simple reaction, all you need is a steel pipe and high temperature and the right flow rates.
And you put in hydrogen and carbon dioxide and you get out methane and water (the water can be reused in electrolysis)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-930132878719848509 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930132878719848509><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:15 PM">5:15 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>They used to use this on the international space station, because of it&#39;s simplicity and reliablity
And it can generate oxygen from Carbon dioxide, so that was the main goal.
I believe it was replaced with a solid metal oxide fuel cell, as those can do CO2 -&gt; C + O2 strait, but that is new tech, great for mars to be honest</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930135270819520573 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930135270819520573><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=yfgame>yfgame</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'930132458727440435')"> Na, this reaction doesn&#39;t need any real catalyst and it is not a complex reaction,
You are probably confusing it with the systhesis reaction to make higher level hydrocarbons (that is petrol)
This is a very simple reaction, all you need is a steel pipe and high temperature and the right flow rates.
And you put in hydrogen and carbon dioxide and you get out methane and water (the water can be reused in electrolysis) </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:25 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930135270819520573>1/10/2022 5:25 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>ah, i thought you needed a iron catalyst covered</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930135402822652014 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930135402822652014><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze>Eric Lotze</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'930135270819520573')"> ah, i thought you needed a iron catalyst covered </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=yfgame data-user-id=714607126927900673>yfgame</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:26 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930135402822652014>1/10/2022 5:26 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Not really for this reaction, maybe it helps, but iron is not that expensive or hard to get.
But no precious metals or such.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930135403418230866 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930135403418230866><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:26 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930135403418230866>1/10/2022 5:26 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="yfgame">@yfgame</span> has reached level <strong>8</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-930136689245061181 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=930136689245061181><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/623f714c14c45bc7b732481f7021d307-E9312.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=yfgame>yfgame</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'930135402822652014')"> Not really for this reaction, maybe it helps, but iron is not that expensive or hard to get.
But no precious metals or such. </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, January 10, 2022 5:31 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-930136689245061181>1/10/2022 5:31 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Yeah i agree, definitely appropriate materials</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000191790739095703 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000191790739095703><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:05 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1000191790739095703>7/23/2022 2:05 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>just out of curiosity, are there any plans in the future to implement construction of multi-story apartment housing?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000191791666036837 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000191791666036837><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:05 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1000191791666036837>7/23/2022 2:05 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="roths">@Roths</span> has reached level <strong>1</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000197186962862183 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000197186962862183><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:26 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1000197186962862183>7/23/2022 2:26 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WwC7b8IPGBrWUV3fx-DpQv-EIOXkA71DJPuRVdnhGN0/edit#slide=id.gacdbfa1125_0_34">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WwC7b8IPGBrWUV3fx-DpQv-EIOXkA71DJPuRVdnhGN0/edit#slide=id.gacdbfa1125_0_34</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WwC7b8IPGBrWUV3fx-DpQv-EIOXkA71DJPuRVdnhGN0/edit><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Seed Home 2 Utility Panel Technical</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Seed Eco-Home PV System Integration PV Panel Roof Packing Utility Channel Kitchen-Bathroom PV China panels Eco-Strategy Tankless Water Heater Gas Connection Howto Overhead Electric Connection Initial Bathroom Panel Design Outside Grid Connection - power meter and disconnect Water + Sewer Hookup C...</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/ieMxIp6vMsbtiokSya_TjbVrBPsxcM6n0UU7GH0YW5-7A66F> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/ieMxIp6vMsbtiokSya_TjbVrBPsxcM6n0UU7GH0YW5-7A66F alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000197521634762752 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000197521634762752><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:27 AM">2:27 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>also, why is moving onto nickel iron batteries considered desirable? while they do have long lifespans, the cost of storage difference between them and a lithium ion battery of equivalent capability easily tilts the economics in favor of the lithium ion battery</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000197658020937841 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000197658020937841><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:28 AM">2:28 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>especially considering that home energy storage technologies will continue advancing</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1000198270246719608 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1000198270246719608><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, July 23, 2022 2:30 AM">2:30 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>time value of money number crunching with US treasury bond yields alone really highlights the downsides of high up front costs, and interest rates will only go up</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1001926789083439154 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1001926789083439154><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb data-user-id=331483365263802370>laloeb</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:59 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1001926789083439154>7/27/2022 8:59 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I believe, but am not claiming to be fully informed, that the NiFe chemistry is more desirable from an ecological viewpoint. Nickel is about 4x more abundant in the Earth&#39;s crust (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth%27s_crust)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth%27s_crust)</a> and currently available as scrap metal, so maybe it will be cheaper in the long run? NiFe battery lifetime also aligns with OSE philosophy of design for life. They last a long time and can be rejuvenated by replacing the electrolyte. They also tolerate abuse well, so over-discharging them doesn&#39;t ruin them as can happen with lithium ion batteries. Other good info here (<a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Nickel-Iron_Battery#Advantages)">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Nickel-Iron_Battery#Advantages)</a></span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002031287386787860 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002031287386787860><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:54 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002031287386787860>7/28/2022 3:54 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Nickel may be 4x more abundant in the earth&#39;s crust, but NiFe chemistry is certainly not even close to 25% of the performance of lithium ion. Not to mention there will inevitably be fairly significant costs for replacing the electrolyte for a battery equivalent to a lithium ion&#39;s charge capacity. Even taking into account lifetime operation its dubious as to whether they&#39;d actually be more environmentally friendly than lithium ion due to the significantly greater amount of raw material you&#39;d need, and the resulting ecological damage from mining that it would entail.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002031301139902494 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002031301139902494><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:54 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002031301139902494>7/28/2022 3:54 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="roths">@Roths</span> has reached level <strong>2</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002031570267422720 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002031570267422720><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:55 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002031570267422720>7/28/2022 3:55 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Especially when you consider time value of money for the up front capital costs of buying such a system vs getting lithium ion, its definitely not worth it, especially when you consider things like lithium ion batteries having vastly larger economies of scale, large amounts of commercial interest in recycling, and the continued improvement in both energy density/cost/lifetime that lithium or other systems will have vs NiFe</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002031812056453223 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002031812056453223><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:56 AM">3:56 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Economic viability is critical for any sort of adoption at large scale, excess costs will only be detrimental to that goal</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002032457622765709 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002032457622765709><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:59 AM">3:59 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Even if you wanted less cutting edge solutions for energy storage, there&#39;s feasible low cost practical alternatives like using surplus solar power to power a heat pump to freeze ice, and using that as &quot;cold storage&quot; to help provide air conditioning when there&#39;s less power available in hot climates.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002032881545248798 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002032881545248798><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:00 AM">4:00 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Or alternatively looking into alternative chemistries being developed right now by companies like iron flow batteries/etc.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002033307636207626 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002033307636207626><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:02 AM">4:02 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I know a lot of the ethos of the project involved quite a lot of &quot;DIY literally everything&quot; at the start, but frankly total self sufficiency and autarky is just not feasible if you want to make an impact on the world at large, especially with limited manpower and capital.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002034201454985328 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002034201454985328><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:06 AM">4:06 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Making an open source home design that works, is commercially viable, and can scale is already a huge achievement on its own.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002035520970436649 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002035520970436649><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:11 AM">4:11 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://opensource.com/life/16/7/getting-serious-about-open-source-homes">https://opensource.com/life/16/7/getting-serious-about-open-source-homes</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://opensource.com/life/16/7/getting-serious-about-open-source-homes><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">A open source toolkit for building your own home</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Are you interested in building your own green, open&#160;source home?</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/LIFE_housing-22944.png> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/LIFE_housing-22944.png alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002035833412522135 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002035833412522135><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:12 AM">4:12 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I&#39;d just hate to see this fail to make an impact on the world at large after seeing how much heart and soul has been poured into open source development over the years.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002041173671682188 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002041173671682188><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb data-user-id=331483365263802370>laloeb</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:33 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002041173671682188>7/28/2022 4:33 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Definitely agree with you. OSE has become more focused on making commercially viable products, with the flagship product being the Seed Eco-Home. It was originally going to be CEB construction, but they&#39;re taking an incremental step to that by working out the current stick-frame, modular-based construction house. I can see OSE adoption lithium batteries in the short term to fulfill the storage needs until they can explore other solutions. The slides you linked mention saturated water storage, which seems like the &quot;hot storage&quot; version of the &quot;cold storage&quot; you talked about.
The concern with lithium ion batteries for storage might be stemming from their lifetime, which is a primary concern for house storage where batteries will go through daily discharge cycles. I understand that their storage capacity declines gradually, and it is likely they&#39;ll last several year.</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=thumbsup><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👍 src=media-ose/1f44d-27259.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002051486815105124 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002051486815105124><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:14 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002051486815105124>7/28/2022 5:14 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>while that&#39;s certainly a legitimate concern, thus far they&#39;re still the most cost effective solution based off of levelized cost of storage analysis</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002051595019755550 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002051595019755550><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:15 AM">5:15 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>only large scale competitor is pumped hydro storage, but that&#39;s only cost competitive in areas where the geography permits it and there aren&#39;t already people living in the area</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002052007252742204 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002052007252742204><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:16 AM">5:16 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>the amount of efficient capacity you get for a relatively low cost makes them the best option so far even after taking into account lifetime, but nonetheless they definitely aren&#39;t really a great option for scaling up mass grid storage</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002053073671307364 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002053073671307364><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:21 AM">5:21 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>nonetheless I still think NiFe chemistry is inadvisable</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002357304970190949 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002357304970190949><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1000197521634762752')"> also, why is moving onto nickel iron batteries considered desirable? while they do have long lifespans, the cost of storage difference between them and a lithium ion battery of equivalent capability easily tilts the economics in favor of the lithium ion battery </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:30 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002357304970190949>7/29/2022 1:30 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>LiFePO4 is the one you want unless you can do a kinetic battery or weight/density is supper important.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002357565998497832 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002357565998497832><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:31 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002357565998497832>7/29/2022 1:31 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>yeah lithium iron phosphate to the best of my knowledge is the most common home energy storage option on the market</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002357579319615488 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002357579319615488><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:31 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002357579319615488>7/29/2022 1:31 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="roths">@Roths</span> has reached level <strong>3</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002357919116955748 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002357919116955748><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1002357565998497832')"> yeah lithium iron phosphate to the best of my knowledge is the most common home energy storage option on the market </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:32 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002357919116955748>7/29/2022 1:32 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Mine as well &amp; people have paid me to sit next to people that are well qualified to make those statements, who I asked directly.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002359423437656135 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002359423437656135><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:38 AM">1:38 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Since last summer I have moved away from the Single Family Home as thee Dwelling Unit, now I am all in on Mass Dwelling Unit Podium Style &quot;5 +1 over 2&quot; built to Passive House Standards, which has been shown to be thee most cost-effective Dwelling Unit, &amp; Lowest Carbon footprint....you can also add in Carbon Squestrian design &amp; a housing trust to the project making it a solution for Homelessness, Wealth Inequality, Climate Disaster... or add in biophilic design making it solution Stress/Trauma the loss of cohesion in community.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002360250961244201 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002360250961244201><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:41 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002360250961244201>7/29/2022 1:41 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>the smaller single family eco-home unit being developed here has significantly lower up front costs to develop and requires less aggressive regulatory certification since its only two stories</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002362728981213205 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002362728981213205><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:51 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002362728981213205>7/29/2022 1:51 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>It also isn&#39;t built to last, and all those &quot;cost-cutting decisions&quot; end up costing you a bunch of money after 7, 10, 15, 25 .... 100 years. Like 3&#39; - 5&#39; eves on the East, West, &amp; South Side of the house calculated to block the sun during the summer &amp; let it in during the winter, saving you money on HVAC &amp; increasing your quality of life. The Single Family Home is a fantasy like &quot;Army of One&quot; or &quot;I did this myself&quot;</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002363253109817424 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002363253109817424><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:53 AM">1:53 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>SHOTS FIRED: The closest a Single Family Home can come to being a good idea is as a Row House with District Energy.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002363885434720336 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002363885434720336><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:56 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002363885434720336>7/29/2022 1:56 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>time value of money is still a thing to factor in as far as economic viability goes, its not a particularly good idea to invest large amounts of capital into a lower tech battery system that can theoretically last 100 years if in 30 or so new grid storage technology comes out that makes it even less economically competitive than it was before</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002364004825567252 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002364004825567252><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:56 AM">1:56 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>its important to consider the opportunity costs associated with present resources and capital available</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002364608117481614 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002364608117481614><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 1:59 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002364608117481614>7/29/2022 1:59 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>It&#39;s not Opportunity Costs, Building a 5+1/2 is an event, it happened. then a new technology came along creating Opportunity Cost for a new possible event which then we as intelligent people chose the better one.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002365410005491722 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002365410005491722><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:02 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002365410005491722>7/29/2022 2:02 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>NiFe is an order of magnitude more expensive than Lithium battery solutions on the market now, its not worth adopting when a homeowner could just spend a day or so to upgrade to a newer even better battery system in the future after their lithium battery wears out after 20 or so years.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366148647592006 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366148647592006><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:05 AM">2:05 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I can understand the appeal of denser housing units, but the team working here doesn&#39;t have the resources to be able to design that as of right now and is starting with a simpler project to begin with</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366226758111344 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366226758111344><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:05 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002366226758111344>7/29/2022 2:05 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Agreed, Homeowners should not be buying batteries or solar panels, they should be a part of Utility Scale installations. Official Current US Plan for 2030, Utility Scale $0.02/kwh, Commercial Roof Top $0.03/kwh, Residential $0.05/kwh, us in the industry are planning on your roof top solar being 250% more expensive.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366567578861608 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366567578861608><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:06 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002366567578861608>7/29/2022 2:06 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>rooftop solar still has its advantages, though it has higher up front costs to setup, it uses pre-existing land that people are already living on</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366652165390511 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366652165390511><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:07 AM">2:07 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>rather than claiming more natural habitat</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366692426526861 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366692426526861><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:07 AM">2:07 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>trade offs have to be made one way or another sometimes</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002366712492073101 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002366712492073101><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:07 AM">2:07 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>situations vary, etc</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002368374485024909 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002368374485024909><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1002366567578861608')"> rooftop solar still has its advantages, though it has higher up front costs to setup, it uses pre-existing land that people are already living on </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:14 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002368374485024909>7/29/2022 2:14 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>That sounds like you think there is a land shortage... I mean sure as far as places where you won&#39;t die from Wet Blub Syndrome, Fires, Floods, Tornados, Hurricanes, or some Imperialist Military ... that land is pretty much just Minnesota &amp; Canada but should we then use to the max of efficiency? What is better on a roof, a shity expensive not efficient solar array or a greenhouse, or a BBQ? Also, there are now Utility Scale Solar Farms with integrated farming, as in vegetables + animals.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002368787355537428 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002368787355537428><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:15 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002368787355537428>7/29/2022 2:15 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>not having to cut down trees or displace local animals living in a habitat is also nice sometimes</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002368939755589632 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002368939755589632><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:16 AM">2:16 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>besides that, land prices vary dramatically around the nation based on region and other factors</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002369063349129296 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002369063349129296><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:16 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002369063349129296>7/29/2022 2:16 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>We need to cut the trees down, store the carbon, plant new trees &amp; the animals already died.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002369276470100069 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002369276470100069><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:17 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002369276470100069>7/29/2022 2:17 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>in general its more situational than anything else as far as rooftop vs utility goes</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002369313732300920 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002369313732300920><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:17 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002369313732300920>7/29/2022 2:17 AM</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><a href=media-ose/9545485_orig-E3C24.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-generic-image src=media-ose/9545485_orig-E3C24.jpg alt="Embedded image" loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002369666846572664 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002369666846572664><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:19 AM">2:19 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>It really isn&#39;t. It is more of Musk being a super charismatic person served &amp; then other people having to fix his mess.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002370031453216878 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002370031453216878><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 2:20 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002370031453216878>7/29/2022 2:20 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>energy generation self sufficiency has its advantages, especially when the grid is unreliable or unavailable in certain areas, not really a cost effective solution in most cases but in some circumstances it is</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002380606149251092 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002380606149251092><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 3:02 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002380606149251092>7/29/2022 3:02 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>In those situations you want a ground mount dual axis tracker, depending on how in the sticks your are maybe a passive mechanical tracker instead of a electric motor.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1002380608036667432 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1002380608036667432><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, July 29, 2022 3:02 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1002380608036667432>7/29/2022 3:02 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="Deleted User">@Deleted User</span> has reached level <strong>6</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1004147815955583046 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1004147815955583046><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3-FB033.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title="Deleted User" data-user-id=456226577798135808>Deleted User</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 3, 2022 12:04 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1004147815955583046>8/3/2022 12:04 AM</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__attachment><a href=media-ose/IMG_0727-3B63D.png> <img class=chatlog__attachment-media src=media-ose/IMG_0727-3B63D.png alt="Image attachment" title="Image: IMG_0727.png (6.37 MB)" loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1004192949439053824 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1004192949439053824><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 3, 2022 3:04 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1004192949439053824>8/3/2022 3:04 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>just out of curiosity what motivated the decision between making this a 2 story home instead of say, a 3 story or apartment sized building?</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1004194370330833026 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1004194370330833026><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Wednesday, August 3, 2022 3:09 AM">3:09 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>plus I&#39;m curious if the design could be adapted to make rowhouses with</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1004486236897026179 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1004486236897026179><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/c9cfe319963eb619a7412175759ee00b-2F0D7.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=nohbdyahtall data-user-id=200423697616601088>Nohbdy Ahtall</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:29 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1004486236897026179>8/3/2022 10:29 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Instructions unclear, vegetated roof with most useless, least effective plant choices in order to fit the &quot;or&quot; clause and avoid actual work.
Vagueness is a danger, implementation details are key. Let&#39;s hope it is more specific than &quot;any vegetation&quot;.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1004907265427513394 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1004907265427513394><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb data-user-id=331483365263802370>laloeb</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, August 5, 2022 2:22 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1004907265427513394>8/5/2022 2:22 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="roths">@Roths</span> Those are good questions, and I&#39;m not sure anyone on this channel could answer it as well as Marcin or Catarina. I don&#39;t think they spend much time on here, but you could try emailing Marcin.
Here&#39;s my take. Caveat, I&#39;ve only been involved with OSE for about 1.5 years, very on and off, and mostly off. The seed home started as a small house prototype that was intended to be expandable as need requires and funds allow. Here&#39;s some early-ish Seed Home requirements <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkrlVriBpDj-VCtTIkLpBLMLr6H26-jmkdHgGhvRzHE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkrlVriBpDj-VCtTIkLpBLMLr6H26-jmkdHgGhvRzHE/edit?usp=sharing</a> found here <a href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/OBI">https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/OBI</a>. Based on the ability to expand, and the fact that insulated, 2x6 walls ought to help with noise dampening, I should think that the design is compatible with rowhouses without much adaptation. Lastly, the current house is 2-stories, because it minimizes footprint (reduces concrete costs) for the 1,000 sq ft base design. The build approach is probably compatible with &gt;2-story designs (but you&#39;d want to run that by a structural engineer). Let me tell you that in person, the 2-story house with a 16x32&#39; footprint seems plenty tall enough. <img
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src="media-ose/1f603-5E531.svg"></span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Sunday, August 7, 2022 6:21 PM">(edited)</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkrlVriBpDj-VCtTIkLpBLMLr6H26-jmkdHgGhvRzHE/edit?usp=sharing"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Seed Eco-Home: Requirements</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Structural Requirements An off-grid, expandable home with 720 sq ft usable space + utility room and attached greenhouse. Design follows the “half a good house” concept - house is expandable, but what is initially built (the starter home) must be either “good” or easily repurposed - for example, ...</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/nuhrZOO2YsRwZ_z6ALBJjWYGEFp4XNSaxjsBN_gKC4-24CA2> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/nuhrZOO2YsRwZ_z6ALBJjWYGEFp4XNSaxjsBN_gKC4-24CA2 alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1005233761568440370 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1005233761568440370><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, August 6, 2022 12:00 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1005233761568440370>8/6/2022 12:00 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>That&#39;s quite helpful, thanks for answering my questions</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=thumbsup><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👍 src=media-ose/1f44d-27259.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1021226382338043924 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1021226382338043924><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, September 19, 2022 3:09 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1021226382338043924>9/19/2022 3:09 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/meet-singapore-couple-building-homes-and-creating-employment-in-ukraine">https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/meet-singapore-couple-building-homes-and-creating-employment-in-ukraine</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/meet-singapore-couple-building-homes-and-creating-employment-in-ukraine><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Singapore couple build bomb-resistant homes in Ukraine</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">The couple have built 200 homes with local partners in the region since the war started in February.
Read more at straitstimes.com.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/sv_hugs_180922-9BCE6.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/sv_hugs_180922-9BCE6.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1021226383705378876 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1021226383705378876><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/def5e0a7ff07e73d477a87df10a3dc4f-BFBB1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(153,45,34) title=Arcane#7800 data-user-id=437808476106784770>Arcane</span> <span class=chatlog__author-tag>BOT</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, September 19, 2022 3:09 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1021226383705378876>9/19/2022 3:09 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><span class="chatlog__markdown-mention" title="roths">@Roths</span> has reached level <strong>4</strong>. GG!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1041843320848125952 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1041843320848125952><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, November 14, 2022 11:33 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1041843320848125952>11/14/2022 11:33 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Looking forward to seeing how the seed home build turns out</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1042600042315382845 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1042600042315382845><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/140f1f6c896c5db7eacfdb589400cafd-A91F5.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=laloeb data-user-id=331483365263802370>laloeb</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, November 17, 2022 1:40 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1042600042315382845>11/17/2022 1:40 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Me too. Unfortunately, I won&#39;t be able to help with it this year. I&#39;m hoping to participate in a build next spring or summer.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1043007447591309382 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1043007447591309382><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, November 18, 2022 4:39 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1043007447591309382>11/18/2022 4:39 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/battery-powered-appliances">https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/battery-powered-appliances</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/battery-powered-appliances><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Battery-powered appliances!</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">I invested in a cool company that I think could replace gas with batteries.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/https%253A%252F%252Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa-E9932.jpeg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/https%253A%252F%252Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa-E9932.jpeg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=open_mouth><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=😮 src=media-ose/1f62e-FE396.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1043007616458170439 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1043007616458170439><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, November 18, 2022 4:39 AM">4:39 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>this does seem pretty neat tbh</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1043007760926777374 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1043007760926777374><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, November 18, 2022 4:40 AM">4:40 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>having the batteries built into the appliances to a decent extent seems like it reduces the need for an external home battery</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1054085817104093204 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1054085817104093204><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/3eba7b5848ac599b5fe673d4f73000bf-C77EB.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=stardust_007 data-user-id=561462879526584320>Yasin vs. the Gang</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, December 18, 2022 6:20 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1054085817104093204>12/18/2022 6:20 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8969332/">https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8969332/</a> - lovely</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8969332/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">The Biggest Little Farm (2018) - IMDb</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">The Biggest Little Farm: Directed by John Chester. With John Chester, Molly Chester, Todd, Alan York. Documentarian John Chester and his wife Molly work to develop a sustainable farm on 200 acres outside of Los Angeles.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/MV5BMjQ1MjM0OTE2Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzgwMD-38730.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/MV5BMjQ1MjM0OTE2Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzgwMD-38730.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1055702533554847784 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1055702533554847784><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, December 23, 2022 5:24 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1055702533554847784>12/23/2022 5:24 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>How&#39;s the build going btw?</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=point_up_2><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=👆 src=media-ose/1f446-9CC34.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1116771043198124173 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1116771043198124173><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, June 9, 2023 6:49 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1116771043198124173>6/9/2023 6:49 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://heliostat.pl/en/">https://heliostat.pl/en/</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,255,255,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://heliostat.pl/en/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Heliosphere - natural light in your home</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Heliosphere is an innovative technology to illuminate your room with sunlight. Heliosphere brightens your home or office with sunlight.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/social-89C27.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/social-89C27.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1116771149485981816 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1116771149485981816><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Friday, June 9, 2023 6:49 PM">6:49 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Neat Way of Daylighting by having mirrors reflect light through windows onto the ceiling</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1139449369100288013 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1139449369100288013><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/bb2449fc13b299f29337c3e7b60c3040-86FCD.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=m4n0li data-user-id=706424053744926731>manoli</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Friday, August 11, 2023 8:44 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1139449369100288013>8/11/2023 8:44 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Do we know any budget build-it-yourself winter-resistant homes? I found <a href="https://domegaia.com/">https://domegaia.com/</a> for 11,000</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://domegaia.com/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Aircrete Dome Homes - Build your dream with equipment and education</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Designs, equipment, and education for building your dream Aircrete Dome Home. You&#39;ll find resources and inspiration along with a wealth of knowledge about Aircrete, Domes and other buildings. If you want to build with Aircrete you&#39;ve come to the right place!</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/Domegaia_Logo_web_1200x1200-4EC03.png> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/Domegaia_Logo_web_1200x1200-4EC03.png alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1144078315909554227 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1144078315909554227><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/bb2449fc13b299f29337c3e7b60c3040-86FCD.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=m4n0li>manoli</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1139449369100288013')"> Do we know any budget build-it-yourself winter-resistant homes? I found <a href="https://domegaia.com/">https://domegaia.com/</a> for 11,000 </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Thursday, August 24, 2023 3:18 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1144078315909554227>8/24/2023 3:18 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Monolithic Domes are Neat!</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1255114049210028094 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1255114049210028094><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/38d5d2e37cc203fb164cfc0f3c74c4b5-09A30.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=303adastra data-user-id=457390086879969280>303adastra</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:55 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1255114049210028094>6/25/2024 12:55 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>TIL how to make self-healing Roman Concrete <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add1602">https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add1602</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=bricks><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=🧱 src=media-ose/1f9f1-51778.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1259549248282824785 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1259549248282824785><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, July 7, 2024 6:39 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1259549248282824785>7/7/2024 6:39 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I was just about to post this and you beat me to it
<a href="https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106">https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Riddle solved: Why was Roman concrete so durable?</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Researchers have discovered ancient Roman concrete-manufacturing strategies that incorporated self-healing. Applying this knowledge toward modern cement production, they hope to improve the material’s environmental impact.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/MIT-RomanConcrete-01-press-DEAD5.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/MIT-RomanConcrete-01-press-DEAD5.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=bricks><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=🧱 src=media-ose/1f9f1-51778.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287408921199513691 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287408921199513691><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, September 22, 2024 3:43 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1287408921199513691>9/22/2024 3:43 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Btw, why doesn&#39;t the seed eco home use the mud bricks made by the CEB press?</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287509949185916960 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287509949185916960><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/4-4551A.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=pmangatq0238 data-user-id=977717870379278356>curiousalbert</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, September 22, 2024 10:24 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1287509949185916960>9/22/2024 10:24 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>wont hold long, as printed concrete : <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/C9VAtE6uY30">https://www.instagram.com/p/C9VAtE6uY30</a></span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287510694568398932 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287510694568398932><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Sunday, September 22, 2024 10:27 PM">10:27 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>but I&#39;d definitely appreciate an universal approach to build homes from any sources, anywhere, including emergency shelters, ...</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287512098120798302 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287512098120798302><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Sunday, September 22, 2024 10:33 PM">10:33 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>great source for a pocket format assistant : <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6aAI3shDY&amp;ab_channel=PrimitiveTechnology">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6aAI3shDY&amp;ab_channel=PrimitiveTechnology</a> | smaller 8B models are making their way into the medical world as well <img
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#missingthetrain-pro</span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Sunday, September 22, 2024 10:36 PM">(edited)</span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Primitive Technology</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6aAI3shDY"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Primitive Technology: Undercover Brick Workshop</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/xz6aAI3shDY width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287859502036815945 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287859502036815945><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a59bdf31ad3906622763d3c59fff87ef-058D1.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1287408921199513691')"> Btw, why doesn&#39;t the seed eco home use the mud bricks made by the CEB press? </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(241,196,15) title=saphnich data-user-id=209482834379931658>Alexa</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, September 23, 2024 9:33 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1287859502036815945>9/23/2024 9:33 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>When I asked Marcin this same question he said that they are focusing on the process of the house build now and will be switching to CEB in a later version. :) Definitely in the pipeline</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287894555982561350 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287894555982561350><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Monday, September 23, 2024 11:53 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1287894555982561350>9/23/2024 11:53 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Cool!</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1287894631731957832 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1287894631731957832><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Monday, September 23, 2024 11:53 PM">11:53 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Would also be pretty neat if something like an open source brick laying machine were to be developed too</span></div><div class=chatlog__reactions><div class=chatlog__reaction title=100><img class="chatlog__emoji chatlog__emoji--small" alt=💯 src=media-ose/1f4af-4CFF5.svg loading=lazy> <span class=chatlog__reaction-count>1</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289425863837745224 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289425863837745224><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:18 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289425863837745224>9/28/2024 5:18 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I think in particular stacking the CEB brick combined with using surface bonding techniques in place of mortar could have very strong potential, especially if open source processes and tooling were made for such things</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289428509659365376 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289428509659365376><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:28 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289428509659365376>9/28/2024 5:28 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>maybe even do automated drone stacking (albeit the AI challenges with that are p significant)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289428532648214588 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289428532648214588><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:28 AM">5:28 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OFY65Q8-Jc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OFY65Q8-Jc</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6DzZ48OsRJuy0Xi3vn7A1w><div class=chatlog__embed-author>UCLouvain Génie Civil et Environnemental</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OFY65Q8-Jc"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Drone-based Construction</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/2OFY65Q8-Jc width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289428707752153150 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289428707752153150><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:29 AM">5:29 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>but software is definitely a field where open source excels tbh</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289432435335106661 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289432435335106661><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/38d5d2e37cc203fb164cfc0f3c74c4b5-09A30.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1289428509659365376')"> maybe even do automated drone stacking (albeit the AI challenges with that are p significant) </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=303adastra data-user-id=457390086879969280>303adastra</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:44 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289432435335106661>9/28/2024 5:44 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Do it</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289432796854616168 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289432796854616168><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/38d5d2e37cc203fb164cfc0f3c74c4b5-09A30.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/38d5d2e37cc203fb164cfc0f3c74c4b5-09A30.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=303adastra>303adastra</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1255114049210028094')"> TIL how to make self-healing Roman Concrete <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add1602">https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add1602</a> </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=303adastra data-user-id=457390086879969280>303adastra</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:45 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289432796854616168>9/28/2024 5:45 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>Also, a high school agriculture lab attempted to replicate the recipe for self-healing Roman concrete <a href="https://youtu.be/YDdf8piQsrk">https://youtu.be/YDdf8piQsrk</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbroTUgOzYQ3m2wZV5AlE-g><div class=chatlog__embed-author>AgTeacherThoughts</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdf8piQsrk"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Roman Concrete Lab</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/YDdf8piQsrk width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289435497080422441 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289435497080422441><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:56 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289435497080422441>9/28/2024 5:56 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I mean a big part of why modern concrete structures don&#39;t last as long is the rebar tbh, alongside fast cure modern concrete having diff properties vs roman</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289435499928486000 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289435499928486000><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 5:56 AM">5:56 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.construction-physics.com/p/roman-vs-modern-concrete">https://www.construction-physics.com/p/roman-vs-modern-concrete</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(252,251,235,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href=https://www.construction-physics.com/p/roman-vs-modern-concrete><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Roman vs Modern Concrete</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">There&#39;s a new paper out exploring some of the chemical mechanisms at work in Roman concrete.</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/https%253A%252F%252Fconstructionphysics.su-2C48C.jpg%253Fversion%253D4> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/https%253A%252F%252Fconstructionphysics.su-2C48C.jpg%253Fversion%253D4 alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289438874094796876 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289438874094796876><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/38d5d2e37cc203fb164cfc0f3c74c4b5-09A30.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1289435497080422441')"> I mean a big part of why modern concrete structures don&#39;t last as long is the rebar tbh, alongside fast cure modern concrete having diff properties vs roman </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=303adastra data-user-id=457390086879969280>303adastra</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 6:09 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1289438874094796876>9/28/2024 6:09 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>It was interesting to see the high school students mix different batches to see which would hold up better. The ones that weren&#39;t thoroughly mixed seemed to outperform their peers.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1289439577236570245 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1289439577236570245><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, September 28, 2024 6:12 AM">6:12 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>The chemistry behind hot mixing of quicklime directly into the concrete mix is still a mystery to me</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292157266677600347 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292157266677600347><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1287408921199513691')"> Btw, why doesn&#39;t the seed eco home use the mud bricks made by the CEB press? </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:11 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1292157266677600347>10/5/2024 6:11 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>It does. The first Seed Eco-Home on Factor e-Farm has one wall which is CEB made from an early version of the Liberator brick press.</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292157573080027176 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292157573080027176><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:12 PM">6:12 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>I believe the micro-homes in Belize that are essentially the one-room kitchen / studio Seed Eco-Home design, are all CEBs.
<a href="https://www.opensourceecology.org/ceb-microhouse-build-in-belize/">https://www.opensourceecology.org/ceb-microhouse-build-in-belize/</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class="chatlog__embed-color-pill chatlog__embed-color-pill--default"></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.opensourceecology.org/ceb-microhouse-build-in-belize/"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">CEB Microhouse Build in Belize | Open Source Ecology</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-description><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">Have questions? Drop us an email: info at opensourceecology dot org The CEB Story 2012. from Open Source Ecology on Vimeo. You can see more info about the Brick Press and Power Cube on the wiki. If you can do metal fabrication, you can build the fully automated CEB press for as little as $4k …</div></div></div><div class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-container><a class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail-link href=media-ose/IMG-20190823-WA0013-1024x768-583FD.jpg> <img class=chatlog__embed-thumbnail src=media-ose/IMG-20190823-WA0013-1024x768-583FD.jpg alt=Thumbnail loading=lazy> </a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292157608471298111 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292157608471298111><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=roths data-user-id=188532829095854080>Roths</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:13 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1292157608471298111>10/5/2024 6:13 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>newer ones as far as I&#39;m aware are all wood frame, at least in the US</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292157871189917777 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292157871189917777><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/5f2e719a9dac42a723b1b51646b8a4b4-F9D26.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=life_long_learner data-user-id=827415572111032350>Paul P.</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:14 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1292157871189917777>10/5/2024 6:14 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>That&#39;s true. I don&#39;t think they&#39;ve had a working CEB press on Factor e-Farm for awhile, they sold the last one.
There was an engineer who built his own liberator on his farm around 2015, but he&#39;s the last one I know to build the full Liberator.</span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:25 PM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292158012705869965 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292158012705869965><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 6:14 PM">6:14 PM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JgR5AXkkbo">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JgR5AXkkbo</a></span></div><div class=chatlog__embed><div class=chatlog__embed-color-pill style=background-color:rgba(255,0,0,255)></div><div class=chatlog__embed-content-container><div class=chatlog__embed-content><div class=chatlog__embed-text><div class=chatlog__embed-author-container><a class=chatlog__embed-author-link href=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCefvBD2TNvDHXtoud9RG-Hw><div class=chatlog__embed-author>Rob Beddingfield</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-title><a class=chatlog__embed-title-link href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JgR5AXkkbo"><div class="chatlog__markdown chatlog__markdown-preserve">CEB Press and Hydraulics Overview</div></a></div><div class=chatlog__embed-youtube-container><iframe class=chatlog__embed-youtube src=https://www.youtube.com/embed/3JgR5AXkkbo width=400 height=225></iframe></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1292207596106678385 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1292207596106678385><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/9d2b9b0319df5d3ba690697d5ddcfab7-529EE.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author title=karen_fi501_13984 data-user-id=1276635018881663040>Guinea Pig</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:31 PM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1292207596106678385>10/5/2024 9:31 PM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>nice, openai added support for vision fine tuning : <a href="https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning/analyzing-your-fine-tuned-model">https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/fine-tuning/analyzing-your-fine-tuned-model</a> - cant wait for a yt-viddy to article tool <img
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<div class=chatlog__message-group><div id=chatlog__message-container-1294825447040876634 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1294825447040876634><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__reply-symbol></div><img class=chatlog__avatar src=media-ose/fe9d6d498e75ec6840f40990fd96d9fc-92B21.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class=chatlog__reply><img class=chatlog__reply-avatar src=media-ose/a63d122e27a3fb038bfe313622933231-319C9.png alt=Avatar loading=lazy><div class=chatlog__reply-author title=roths>Roths</div><div class=chatlog__reply-content><span class=chatlog__reply-link onclick="scrollToMessage(event,'1287894631731957832')"> Would also be pretty neat if something like an open source brick laying machine were to be developed too </span></div></div><div class=chatlog__header><span class=chatlog__author style=color:rgb(109,75,75) title=ericlotze data-user-id=695693240753586188>Eric Lotze</span> <span class=chatlog__timestamp title="Sunday, October 13, 2024 2:54 AM"><a href=#chatlog__message-container-1294825447040876634>10/13/2024 2:54 AM</a></span></div><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>THIS</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1294825528431218689 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1294825528431218689><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Sunday, October 13, 2024 2:54 AM">2:54 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>the crane-arm thing one seems like a practical mix of brick wall and concrete 3d printing</span></div></div></div></div><div id=chatlog__message-container-1294825563370029147 class=chatlog__message-container data-message-id=1294825563370029147><div class=chatlog__message><div class=chatlog__message-aside><div class=chatlog__short-timestamp title="Sunday, October 13, 2024 2:54 AM">2:54 AM</div></div><div class=chatlog__message-primary><div class="chatlog__content chatlog__markdown"><span class=chatlog__markdown-preserve>i forget if i posted on-wiki about it or not</span> <span class=chatlog__edited-timestamp title="Sunday, October 13, 2024 2:54 AM">(edited)</span></div></div></div></div></div>
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