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"content": "Here a short intro into shredder electronics : \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxheAdqIdk0\n\nblue prints and firmware (https://git.osr-plastic.org/osr-plastic/pp-next/src/branch/master/machines/shredder/asterix/firmware_morren) will be available in the wiki sometime in September - it got a little messy supporting near 5 different variations \uD83D\uDE42",
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"content": "just a question in general - what's best to publish Post-Precious-Plastic machine docs on OSE ? There is no problem to write another adapter for deploying on OSE (API) - just syncing might be a problem - unless I can lock the pages somehow .. otherwise I will just link to the new wiki ...",
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"content": "\uD83D\uDE42 not really, depends on the fill rate; as far I heard, objects with up to 30% fill rate and a wall thickness up to 2mm is ok - depends on the motor option and version.\nFor solids, we have 'Obelix', https://www.instagram.com/p/CMCXjePnTV1/ shreds up to 20mm thick & nasty stuff - depends also on the motor option (up to 7kW)",
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"content": "but unfortunately it's pricey; but comes with auto-plunger as well \uD83D\uDE42",
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"content": "@Paul Pham - btw. there is no real good outcome printing recycled plastic; PET is still a thing (not easy); HDPE and others come with quite some problems - basically leaving you with 'trash' \uD83D\uDE42",
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"content": "great channel :https://www.instagram.com/3dprintedarchitecture/",
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"content": "@-- osr-support -- do you mean the central premise of our incentivized challenge \"Clean up Plastic Waste, Print a Home\" is flawed?",
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"content": "good question; I am generally pessimistic about having 'plastic and sustainable' in the same sentence - and honestly, I am sceptic even about living in concrete - can't imagine even to leave my dog one night covered by petro chemstry waste \uD83D\uDE09",
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"content": "Possibly, yes. Shredding at smaller scale is incredible difficult when you want a good output, especially 2L PET Bottles - which need a grinder and quite some sophisticated apparatus to print - currently in an unresolved state btw, OS wise (shredding and grinding is at least solved). At the moment I know only of shred->grind->print - with not really satisfying results .. We pick up PET print again in Dec/Jan. for a larger printer setup but still - I don't think it's gonna be better than a one-off but at least some better data \uD83D\uDE42",
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"content": "never mind, just checked the data - it ain't looking good for anyone, except again the privileged profiteering from it, v4 ma* - from young mothers, plenty of families put at risks, and beyond .. young people's life, derailed for a few bugs and some 90sec IG bs sh* show - knowingly. \n\nthanks btw. - the worst extruder we've ever seen \uD83D\uDE42 https://wikifab.org/wiki/PP_Extruder_Pro",
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"content": "knowledge base (alpha) - updated : https://kb.osr-plastic.org/academy/build/shredder/ - @justDave - still waiting for your first file ever \uD83D\uDE0E",
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"content": "@justDave - still can´t believe that a George Carlin joke destroyed so many relations and lifes. I am looking at 12/7, for the next 10 years, after having already 5 years served. Quite a shame and waste. I hope you´re aware, there are people suiciding for much less.",
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"content": "Alrighty, just to keep this server alive, at least for me \uD83D\uDE09\n\nIn case anyone is bored, like me, there's still plenty on the table for #shredder-work : adopting 'obelix' to imperial. the design has proven solid and outperforms so far all the options I know of (https://www.3devo.com/gp20-plastic-shredder for 7-10k ). There's also plenty of code to run it as vending machine (electric plunger, size, performance, etc.. is just perfect. it attracted so far bigger names in this very niche ... \n\ndl: http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/osr-machines/shredder/obelix/ | library: https://forum.osr-plastic.org/t/dual-axis-shredder-obelix/10171",
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"content": "Would the blades be something that could be casted or CNC milled using OSE's machining tools?",
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"content": "not really, as far I know, those blades need proper heat treatment, ... can't tell how they really did it but they have to be precision grinded as well, here some footage: http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/osr-machines/shredder/obelix-300-m/media/tests/ig-index.mp4",
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"content": "milling, laser, etc... leaves you with too much play tho, it's a matter of 0.05mm",
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"content": "sure, that could do, if you know what you're doing, and have the time. Anyway, the guys on Ali are flexible and do this for dirt ... \n\nas far I recon, it's pre-cut on the mill, then hardening, then surface grinder \n\ncasted: no way ! ends up too bridle",
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"content": "basic stuff (see test footage), then you might want to crush AL and other things, food, bones, ... \n\nhowever, 'Maker' wise for instance, you'd need serious equipment to get this really right (200-300k in machines alone)",
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"content": "Thanks for sharing. Where in the source files would I find the bill of materials and assembly instructions if one were to build this?",
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"content": "it's still in metric only, for some reasons \uD83D\uDE42\n\nyou'd typically hand this over to a laser cutting service, http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/osr-machines/shredder/components/shredder_v31-light/laser/en/\n\nthere's no BOM either but any guy interested in metalwork can do this with hands cuffed and eyes closed, ask your local DIY groover, fun stuff",
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