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"content": "One wall, one side of the house, or a floor at time, removing all thermal bridges & creating an air tight seal. Or all at once, a striped to studs, top down remodel, would be more efficient",
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"content": "I’m all for using this massive thermal sink we live on. Who are the stakeholders in cities? How would we engage them or Mabel them to engage each other?",
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"content": "Well most cities water supplies are natural massive ground source heat and cold sources, that is why the water doesn't freeze and doesn't get too hot.",
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"content": "Ya heat capacity of water is very advantageous. In upstate NY, near Beacon, we went swimming in the city reservoir once in summer, very refreshing",
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