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They have discords, links expire, so just look them up or ask Eric
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Nexus Space:
  • A Group Working on the X Prize for Mars Infastructure/City once others can "get us there"
  • and trying to be FLOSS
  • has a PILE of networking
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Eric Lotze 6/9/2020 3:20 AM
Project North Star: https://discord.gg/nWWFxk5f (edited)
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  • a "no comprimises" ar headset
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  • FLOSH
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this may help
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Thanks, i love it!
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will use post peaceful world hegemony (edited)
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Public mind map by ccalpssalon openeverything. Create your own collaborative mind maps for free at www.mindmeister.com
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@me making a red string conspiracy board to map out ose groups
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n e t w o r k i n g
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Also see this discord server, it is designed to be the "Hub" for OS Culture and Work:
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(tell me if you need a new link btw)
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@Eric Lotze ^
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Scihouse Inc A Research Group Managed by "The Thought Emporium" and some others. https://discord.com/invite/yCKA5Tt (edited)
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Crowd Supply - kick-starting (mostly) open source hardware projects https://discord.gg/7p5huQd (edited)
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EEZ - makes open source workbench analyzers/tools https://discord.com/invite/dhYMnCB
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Pine64 - Open Source Hardware company that makes versions of the raspberry pi, as well as a linux phone, tablet, IP camera, etc https://discordapp.com/invite/DgB7kzr
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Open EMon - Open Source Hardware/software forum about monitoring energy consumption opensourcely https://community.openenergymonitor.org/ (edited)
Open-source tools for energy monitoring and analysis
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Where did you find these communities?
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Honestly this has been the sorta stuff I've spent the last 2-3 years exploring & since I lost my sales job when covid hit I've just been digging down lots of rabbit holes 😁
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Same, freshly unemployed and running out of rabbit holes
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Also maybe since there seems to be interest in video games: this is a cool little diy Open Source handheld - they've also got a forum where ppl might want to go for research on making/running/etc video games so I guess here would b appropriate to put a link? https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-go-advance-black-edition/
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I don't rly play nowadays but being able to run a game I help make in some vague way on one of these guys sounds appealing 😁
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shove that in #ose-game
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i need to make one for "Open Source Controllers" (maybe OS-HID stuff to be more broad)
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someone found an old reddit post of mine and is intrested
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Open Source Low Tech: A group dedicated to making Open Source Devices that use few if any "high tech" components, and often can be made from local scrap material. https://discord.gg/hWEbfqABH6
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Mission statement Right to Repair is the concept that you should be able to choose who repairs the device you own. The goal of the Repair Preservation Group wiki is to create a repository of information for repairing devices with common problems and solutions. Anyone can post articles on anything. If you know how to fix something that isn't here, post it. (edited)
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-- osr-support -- 5/3/2021 11:07 PM
Not really open source but nice to have Discord servers -- the machinist -- https://discord.gg/4sYbuzCTd7
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-- solidworks --- https://discord.gg/rZbYhxFX4b (edited)
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-- osr-support -- 5/8/2021 12:56 PM
There is a new Discord Server for the new OSR (OpenSource - Recycling) platform. We will post there also any PreciousPlatic (community) related user projects, builds, etc ... but also advanced subjects as manufacturing, software & development regarding semi-pro/industrial recycling. https://discord.gg/YvfShgMsTc
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Open Source Construction Kits Our goal is to provide our customers to easily deploy and build without doing all the upfront work such as:  Structural framing, acquiring materials (procurement), easy assembly methods, logistics, and framework that can be easily customized. We provide a core framework that makes it easier for
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Opensource structural drawings
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MystroPolymeric 5/12/2021 5:06 PM
Amazing link and drawing for those looking for building solutions.πŸ₯°
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-- osr-support -- 7/7/2021 9:35 PM
Hi, to me it's still unclear what the actual purpose of OSE or this very Discord server is but here a little hands on experience within the plastic recycling world : This was a 40h marathon on a now 60k CNC machine to cut the mould, in an attempt to recycle very specific industrial waste (LDPE) which is also being re-used in the auto-motive industry (to make dashboards, BMW). However, we wanted to make an interlock able seed tray patch (3x3, 40x40x50mm) and it turns out that we hit the limits of the PP v4 extruder easily on a 220V line~3P motor, at 1:10. Currently and after 3 years in the game (physically and real); I consider this the more advanced/complex mould around but also the limit of using a low-tech extrusion/injection. Stepping up the game is also quite difficult; the v4 extruder for instance wants a lathe with at least 40mm spindle hole, 4/6 jaw chuck; the motor flange is also pretty big (160mm diameter). Going for bigger gets you somewhere in the 300k range, just to get some basics done - and it's still not really scalable ... The home shredded plastic (white) btw. behaved as already expected lots worst due to it's irregular flake sizes (see v4 shredder issues). We actually have some users trying to break the wall and get at least pellets from their production waste; which is also not easy, a one stage pelletizer is in development and sees the light this days though πŸ™‚ (edited)
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However, possibly nothing new but sophisticated details in the molds (deep groves, drafts, fillets at a small radi,...) involves tremendous longer machining. A good surface finish for instance wants around 0.1 stepdown, at 10k RPM with a min. 8mm ball mill (which still shatters a lot). 10k RPM doesn't sound much - but it's fecking loud πŸ™‚ (edited)
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neat. these kind of datapoints/experiences are very valuable!
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-- osr-support -- 7/26/2021 10:46 PM
Hi, got so far the basics done for the new content/markup language to produce content for all sorts of platforms (ie: Discourse, Magento (via API), MediaWiki). ### Call the compiler with a glob pattern osript compile --source='./*in*.+(osr)' --output='./${SRC_NAME}.+(md)' --debug=true --language=osr Input : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.osr Output : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.md I needed something like this to also decouple data from cloud services as Google Sheets to produce mainly static content, including rendering templates over Jekyll into PDFs (Manuals) Quite some fun stuff πŸ™‚ Internally it's using/abusing Liquid (JS implementation) (used in Jekyll and Github pages) and I extended it for Javascript whilst having scope variables accessible between the both (see https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/examples/js-tests.html). Next chapters : (edited)
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Hi, got so far the basics done for the new content/markup language to produce content for all sorts of platforms (ie: Discourse, Magento (via API), MediaWiki). ### Call the compiler with a glob pattern osript compile --source='./*in*.+(osr)' --output='./${SRC_NAME}.+(md)' --debug=true --language=osr Input : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.osr Output : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.md I needed something like this to also decouple data from cloud services as Google Sheets to produce mainly static content, including rendering templates over Jekyll into PDFs (Manuals) Quite some fun stuff πŸ™‚ Internally it's using/abusing Liquid (JS implementation) (used in Jekyll and Github pages) and I extended it for Javascript whilst having scope variables accessible between the both (see https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/examples/js-tests.html). Next chapters : (edited)
would https://strapi.io/ or other headless-CMSes be helpful here?
Strapi is the next-gen headless CMS, open-source, javascript, enabling content-rich experiences to be created, managed and exposed to any digital device.
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Hi, got so far the basics done for the new content/markup language to produce content for all sorts of platforms (ie: Discourse, Magento (via API), MediaWiki). ### Call the compiler with a glob pattern osript compile --source='./*in*.+(osr)' --output='./${SRC_NAME}.+(md)' --debug=true --language=osr Input : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.osr Output : https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/tests/test.in.md I needed something like this to also decouple data from cloud services as Google Sheets to produce mainly static content, including rendering templates over Jekyll into PDFs (Manuals) Quite some fun stuff πŸ™‚ Internally it's using/abusing Liquid (JS implementation) (used in Jekyll and Github pages) and I extended it for Javascript whilst having scope variables accessible between the both (see https://git.osr-plastic.org/plastichub/lib-content/src/branch/master/examples/js-tests.html). Next chapters : (edited)
Does your work include handling BOMs? Any thoughts on it? I have not found yet a good software to manage BOMs. (I don't know my requirements really yet, but I know the perfect system the moment I see it... :))
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-- osr-support -- 7/27/2021 12:47 PM
@pcuci - looks great πŸ™‚ the purpose of the language is rather intermediate, transforming content from one source to another output format - with zero dependencies πŸ™‚ I gonna check it out in depth over the weekend - looks like a good replacement for Jekyll ... @hkienle - it handles xlsx, google sheets and CSV files so far (internal query language is still missing...). To manage BOMs I am also still looking for something more adequate. More likely we have to shift from Spreadsheets to something ERP'ish. Different product configurations and also different sources makes this pretty difficult. Especially now in c19 times, one has to change quickly among different suppliers - not just material is running out everywhere but also prices changed a lot over night - to a degree that we had to refund even orders. However, til now we're using Spreadsheets but also increasingly PDM/BOM features within Solidworks which come with a bunch of extras as automatic sustainability reports - still trying to extract this data via Solidworks APIs ... There was a nice editor for BOMs somewhere on Github (Nodejs & VUE based) - I hope I can find it back. Not sure though at which level you want it πŸ™‚ BOMs seem also to rely a lot on the internal company's data organization/structure. In the next years, I am continuing with this here : Turns out that you need the BOM data in different ways across different system. For instance customers want to re-order replacements for consumables - it's really tedious and time consuming to handle this with a small team.
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https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableSSO @-- osr-support -- maybe something like this for wiki SSO (via Keycloack?)
The PluggableSSO extension allows for automatic login of users using headers.
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Inxex PnP: A group dedicated to making an Open Source Pick and Place (PnP) Machine (They use FreeCAD as well !) https://discord.gg/EFER2p2C https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T4SBiYb0Ns https://github.com/sphawes/index/wiki https://github.com/index-machines/index
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-- osr-support -- 8/12/2021 9:49 PM
OSR - Tooling Update: new output formats added to osr-cad (https://git.osr-plastic.org/osr-plastic/cad/src/branch/master/Examples.md) (needs Solidworks):
  • any 3d to HTML view (all incl.) - comes in really handy within product descriptions
  • extract BOM to xlsx
  • extract structure and custom properties JSON (works with any supported Solidworks input format), handy to analyze foreigner formats
  • draw.io to image/vector
More to come :
  • sustainability & cost reports.
  • generic build chain via Grunt
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I may add support for FreeCad - not sure yet the CLI/API is enough for that ...
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OSR - Tooling Update: new output formats added to osr-cad (https://git.osr-plastic.org/osr-plastic/cad/src/branch/master/Examples.md) (needs Solidworks):
  • any 3d to HTML view (all incl.) - comes in really handy within product descriptions
  • extract BOM to xlsx
  • extract structure and custom properties JSON (works with any supported Solidworks input format), handy to analyze foreigner formats
  • draw.io to image/vector
More to come :
  • sustainability & cost reports.
  • generic build chain via Grunt
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Support for FreeCAD would be great!
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-- osr-support -- 8/14/2021 1:11 AM
Right, I think so - Any particular whishes what it should do ? I need it first to validate and convert own and other models (almost done). Later on I am adding a query language to recompose assemblies, using additional internal and external data as product configurations but also to build better libraries (make it indexable as well). Plugin system is also planned - so you can hook into those pipes..
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I did not play with your tooling yet because I work with FreeCAD only. An interesting test case (but probably too complex for me to tackle it as a first test case) would be to represent the D3D Universal: printed parts, procurement parts, assembly, bom, etc. (So far, I did try to document the procured parts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fgz0Y-v-5EBFjWborb_0HXnxCMcrBnOXu-2Hp-ERQBU/edit#gid=1571230577)
bom Ghent build, STEAM Camp January 2020: D3D Universal (single z-axis, 6x6in buildplate) with 230V Item #,Item ID,Quantity (single z-axis),Item Description,Item DE (German) Description,Item Type,Build-Module/Location,Supply DE (Germany),2,3,4,5,Supply NEW,2,3,4,5,Supply US,2,3 Version: 0.3.4,
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-- osr-support -- 8/19/2021 10:39 PM
@hkienle - that's a heck of spreadsheet you did there, thanks a lot ! Currently I am also a little unclear about how to deal with BOMs. For now I am trying to merge my sourcing list with the CAD output as well create internal orders sheets from it, per client request or configuration. Just got back from vacation, I gonna need another month to get back on tracks ... Is there something standard or policy to deal with CAD & Boms ?
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I did not play with your tooling yet because I work with FreeCAD only. An interesting test case (but probably too complex for me to tackle it as a first test case) would be to represent the D3D Universal: printed parts, procurement parts, assembly, bom, etc. (So far, I did try to document the procured parts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fgz0Y-v-5EBFjWborb_0HXnxCMcrBnOXu-2Hp-ERQBU/edit#gid=1571230577)
Are you using version .2 now? I find it much better than .19. Been playing with FEM too. Glad to see someone mention it also.
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Dream It - Build It - Share It with OpenBuilds
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I’d like a CNC torch table design, yes πŸ™‚
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didn't Marcin make one recently?
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Hmm. I’m actually not totally convinced torch tables by themselves are that useful for homes. Tractors yes.
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didn't Marcin make one recently?
I’m not sure. When I was last there I didn’t see one. People were working on a large 3D printer
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yeah, useful for the home business/supplementing a welding shop. Home gamer really isn't gonna do much with it with the rise of sendcutsend.com
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yeah here
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thought marcin did one like within the last 3 months though
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You’re right, CNC torch table is on the schedule. I guess the torch part cuts pieces from metal plate, for later welding . And maybe the tool head can be replaced with a weld head. Is that a thing, automated welding ?
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yeah, useful for the home business/supplementing a welding shop. Home gamer really isn't gonna do much with it with the rise of sendcutsend.com
Very cool. The OSE torch table could be used to run a business like send cut send
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Christian, Ben and Holger were working on the torch table today. It looks like it was very close to doing a trial run of testing the motion of the axis.
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Arduino () is an open-source hardware and software company, project, and user community that designs and manufactures single-board microcontrollers and microcontroller kits for building digital devices. Its hardware products are licensed under a CC-BY-SA license, while software is licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) or th...
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The name Arduino comes from a bar in Ivrea, Italy, where some of the founders of the project used to meet. The bar was named after Arduin of Ivrea, who was the margrave of the March of Ivrea and King of Italy from 1002 to 1014.[3]
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On the topic of Arudino I really enjoy the aesthetic of the white ramps board https://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/4/4e/Smart_Adapter_12.jpg
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Perfect for The Season!
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-- osr-support -- 10/27/2021 10:14 PM
Whilst at it, I use a lot "controllino" for commercial builds. Nice package, robust, some port protection. The "Mega" variant has TCP and Modbus integrated: https://www.controllino.com/ The only problems I had with Arduinos was generating square pulses to run steppers, fast (beyond 50kHz) - Servos want around 200kHz ! That can be really be really challenging running high speed code besides your other routines. There is no mutex or anything multi-threading on those first Atmel generations. There are newer Arduinos with mutex/semaphors but at the end it was easier to use just external pulse generators πŸ™‚ What sucks most is the limited choices of boards with debugger interfaces/pins, close to your production variant, leaving you mostly with exorbitant macros and debug print statements running fast out of memory.
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-- osr-support -- 1/9/2022 12:16 AM
okey, just posting this here because didn't see many results here, and precious plastic seems to be taken over and ruined by some proprietary SS holes (so called CitizenScientificWorkshop, @justDave and whoever - don't expect much there anymore ...) πŸ™‚ I guess we have some standards for low-tech extruders References: 1. Lydia-v4.5: http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/lydia-v4.5/ 2. - clamp (in progress) : http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/components/101_lucy/. open tasks : ejection and mold cooling 3. Lydia-Mini (ok for filament): http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/lydia-mini/ (edited)
Here is the latest version of the Shredder & Extrusion Combo - Simple Version ! Specs/Features 220V One fuse and contactor per power circuit LED feedback Auto-Reverse Auto-Stop Uses Controllino as PLC Firmware To be continued: Wiring - Schematics (it’s simple!)
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-- osr-support -- 1/9/2022 12:29 AM
status quo however :
  • no media-wiki after all - as much I tried, everything can be done and referenced in Discourse
  • the new language, called OSRL, incorporating Markdown and Javascript at build level works like charm for static content generation, taking content from Magento, Discourse, Google, etc ....
  • but still no real progress about a drop all-in-one solution for OSE/OSR or PP. At the end, you still need skilled admins setting up the platform - still trying Rancher/SaaS like infrastructures ...
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-- osr-support -- 1/9/2022 12:39 AM
btw, any hints, ... books about modular design are welcome. Currently, I've got some headaches with components and machines across different generations and 'product' families. Here for instance the air cooling module (http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/components/202_FilamentHousing) for 2 generations of extruders, but still - seems a little cumbersome, considering the material/resource and labor effort. (edited)
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-- osr-support -- 1/9/2022 1:06 AM
Another angry bird, https://trashrobot.org/ - check his tiktok account, ambitious, .... but still nails at it - monetary structures and methods should be past ASAP ...
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okey, just posting this here because didn't see many results here, and precious plastic seems to be taken over and ruined by some proprietary SS holes (so called CitizenScientificWorkshop, @justDave and whoever - don't expect much there anymore ...) πŸ™‚ I guess we have some standards for low-tech extruders References: 1. Lydia-v4.5: http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/lydia-v4.5/ 2. - clamp (in progress) : http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/components/101_lucy/. open tasks : ejection and mold cooling 3. Lydia-Mini (ok for filament): http://files.osr-plastic.org/files/machines/extrusion/lydia-mini/ (edited)
Eric Lotze 1/9/2022 2:05 AM
The machines look nice!
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-- osr-support -- 1/9/2022 2:11 AM
ye, thanks - they also work nice - don't get fooled by less, but still, should be all bit bigger, the extruder for instance should be at least 50mm screw diameter, https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1773/SJ45,-SJ50,-SJ65,-SJ90-Extrusion-Screw-and-Barrel - that's the best offer I know right now, comes with a hardened barrel, and that's a gamer changer too πŸ™‚ (edited)
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Robodigg does custom flanges btw.
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Pedro 🦊 3/21/2022 5:34 PM
Hey! Any recommendations for an open-source tool for project management? That include facilities such as Gantt viewer, task columns and this kind of stuff?
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Thanks!
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American Fascism 3/21/2022 5:58 PM
@Pedro 🦊 , try https://niftypm.com/ a bit expensive tho but does quite good.
Nifty is the remote collaboration hub to manage projects, tasks, and communications β€” all in one place. Remote work has never been easier, fun, and more efficient.
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@Pedro 🦊 , try https://niftypm.com/ a bit expensive tho but does quite good.
Pedro 🦊 3/21/2022 9:55 PM
thank you! Actually, I was using a similar one called clickup but I´m looking for a cheaper, or free, solution. 🧐
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then look for 'free kanban', https://medevel.com/os-kanban-tools/ ~ it's not exactly classic scrum and more for the agile environment but yet, an efficient way to deal with waste. if it's for small scenarios, 1-3 people - using tickboxes in markdown is often sufficient and fast too, eg: - Chapter/Story todos - [ ] do that - [x] do this You can have this docs on github, or hackmd.io
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if your deliverables are files and folders, then link that todo.md in your Readme.md - that avoids any extra tooling and things are all easy to find and in one place πŸ™‚
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Pedro 🦊
Hey! Any recommendations for an open-source tool for project management? That include facilities such as Gantt viewer, task columns and this kind of stuff?
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Nohbdy Ahtall 10/4/2022 8:11 AM
https://sfconservancy.org/ (Handles Godot, the MIT game engine)
The Software Freedom Conservancy provides a non-profit home and services to Free, Libre and Open Source Software (FLOSS) projects.
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7B model on a 6GB card, we're getting there - still no idea how to train it ... https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp - check the peer projects
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Alrighty, not too bad will wrap it up as OS extension, as context menu, on multiple files - design suggestions are welcome πŸ™‚ - I recon this might become the ultimate toolbox for OS Hardware peeps
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missing : SCAD to STEP over FreeCAD, as API and CLI, in case you're bored, as me πŸ™‚
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here a bit background info : https://www.arxiv.org/abs/2408.08313
Assessing the capabilities of large language models (LLMs) is often challenging, in part, because it is hard to find tasks to which they have not been exposed during training. We take one step to address this challenge by turning to a new task: focusing on symbolic graphics programs, which are a popular representation for graphics content that p...
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Alrighty, not too bad will wrap it up as OS extension, as context menu, on multiple files - design suggestions are welcome πŸ™‚ - I recon this might become the ultimate toolbox for OS Hardware peeps
btw. besides the work/task breakdown, a nice little sustainability template should be added as well, in the case of that chairs, its 15hours collecting/fishing the plastic from mangroves, beaches, ... another 15h to sort it, another 10h to extrude it, ... a column with average life expectancy, possible diseases in the age (africa) wont harm either πŸ™‚ - apparently this very niche lives from hype, sensationalism, ... ruled by the west, adding usually no substance, but bold expenses (edited)
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Empowering learners to master college curricula through free resources. Choose a major and start today! - Open Source Society University
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STEP viewer and converter
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hr6qmy0yrbee 4/23/2025 4:26 PM
nice, there's also https://xeokit.io/ - still far from proper web views, or 3D product configurators ...
Build high-performance 3D BIM IFC web apps with open-source xeokit SDK. WebGL-based, fully customizable with double precision global coordinates for GIS.
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nice, there's also https://xeokit.io/ - still far from proper web views, or 3D product configurators ...
I talked to the creator of xeokit several years ago. Super nice dude.
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This is cool, how is this different from CAD Assistant?
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This is cool, how is this different from CAD Assistant?
It’s based on open cascade but runs on Linux
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Nice, Linux needs more graphics love.
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hr6qmy0yrbee 4/24/2025 7:54 PM
LLMs for CAD (AI aided design:), no real changes in sight for makers & small businesses any time soon : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43774990 - tried myself but results have been always random & clumsy though. Should be actually better, considering how the 'latent space' works
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Interesting Mayo project... How are the two different? https://github.com/fougue/mayo
3D CAD viewer and converter based on Qt + OpenCascade - fougue/mayo
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Like graywoong forked mayo, but it is hard to tell changes, yeah? (edited)
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Interesting Mayo project... How are the two different? https://github.com/fougue/mayo
The one I linked is a fork of the one you linked. However, yours seems more up-to-date.
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Like graywoong forked mayo, but it is hard to tell changes, yeah? (edited)
Yeah. The changes seem minor but Graywoong hasn't worked on his fork lately.
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Digital Twins are all the rage as you can prototype without a physical build. This paper discusses various open-source digital twin technologies you can use to develop your product and integrate into a Manufacturing ERP such as Odoo.
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That way, you don't need to spend $1M per machine to get it to market.
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That way, you don't need to spend $1M per machine to get it to market.
hr6qmy0yrbee 5/3/2025 9:18 PM
I guess one will have to pay 1M in damages & losses instead, for not punching the product around, for at least 5+ years πŸ™‚ Building a good business takes usually 10+ years; I doubt there will be any shortcuts though.
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/3/2025 9:20 PM
simulating ecological aspects of products, through its lifecycle would be great
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I guess one will have to pay 1M in damages & losses instead, for not punching the product around, for at least 5+ years πŸ™‚ Building a good business takes usually 10+ years; I doubt there will be any shortcuts though.
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/4b8bc9d7-fd4b-417c-910a-03934b132106 Digital Twins would probably cut your costs in half, assuming $1M per machine using a purely physical approach.
Before exploring specific integration approaches, it's essential to understand that combining Open Source Ecology's Global Village Construction Set with...
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If Digital Twins are good enough for rocket science, they're good enough for me!
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I think the app is overestimating at least some of the costs. A $5000 System76 Thelio Mira Elite would be able to do the AI/ML. The computer is US-manufactured, so no tariffs. The virtual labor can be done by intern teams and volunteers from all over the world. There would be a need for physical prototyping and sensors, but my rule of thumb is that the machines’ digital twins would do 80% of the prototyping for you. You just need a bunch of smart interns and volunteers. (edited)
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The unique selling point (USP) of this digital twin idea is that farmers could buy OSE farming machines without the need to import them, avoiding tariffs and other supply chain issues. The dream of open-source hardware can finally be achieved with these digital, open source hardware designs. (edited)
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Digital Twin Platform for Open Source Ecology Machines Principal Investigator: name Institution: Waterside Cooperative Technologies Contact: info@watersidetech.org | www.watersidetech.org Date: May 4, 2025 Proposed Sponsor: Open Source Ecology, National Science Foundation, or USDA SBIR/STTR Program βΈ» Executive Summary Waterside Cooperative Technologies proposes the development of a Digital Twin Platform tailored to Open Source Ecology (OSE) machines. This platform will create real-time, interactive virtual models of sustainable, open-source machinesβ€”such as tractors, brick presses, and solar concentratorsβ€”that enable decentralized engineering, remote diagnostics, and collaborative R&D. Addressing a critical gap in open-source hardware, this initiative will drastically accelerate development cycles, reduce manufacturing errors, and democratize engineering knowledge globally. By combining open-source principles with digital twin simulation technology, we offer a scalable, replicable infrastructure to strengthen local manufacturing, ecological resilience, and global cooperation. βΈ» Introduction / Background Open Source Ecology (OSE) has championed the creation of low-cost, sustainable machines that can be built and maintained locally using widely available tools. However, the lack of advanced modeling and feedback systems impedes replication, iteration, and education. Unlike proprietary manufacturers, open-source developers lack access to real-time digital twins that simulate wear, efficiency, diagnostics, and energy flow. In a time of climate crisis and supply chain instability, this limits community resilience and technical sovereignty. Major institutions including the NSF and the EU’s Horizon initiatives have recognized digital twins as a strategic frontier for industrial innovation, education, and decarbonization. This project aligns squarely with those goals. βΈ» Purpose / Need Statement There is currently no dedicated, open-source digital twin platform for sustainable, modular, open hardware like OSE machines. This absence stifles peer collaboration, slows innovation, and increases cost and complexity during fabrication. Our project fills that gap with a turnkey, interoperable system that integrates IoT, CAD, and simulation layersβ€”while staying true to open knowledge and ecological ethics. This project is timely due to: β€’ The rise in DIY/local production movements β€’ Advances in low-cost sensors and cloud infrastructure β€’ Strategic interest in open-source manufacturing for resilience βΈ» Project Goals and Objectives Primary Goal: To build and pilot an open-source digital twin platform that enables simulation, monitoring, and lifecycle management of OSE machines. Objectives: 1. Develop modular digital twin templates for at least 5 key OSE machines. 2. Integrate open hardware sensors for real-time feedback. 3. Create a web-based interface for visualization, simulation, and community input. 4. Establish API standards for interoperability with platforms like FreeCAD and KiCad. 5. Launch a knowledge commons for publishing, versioning, and teaching with twins. βΈ» Proposed Solution / Project Description Overview: The platform will offer real-time simulations of open hardware toolsβ€”synchronized with sensor data from physical devices. Designed to be deployable in disconnected, rural, and co-op environments, it will use a modular architecture built on open standards.
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Technology Stack: β€’ Hardware: Raspberry Pi / ESP32-based controllers, analog & digital sensors, Arduino integration β€’ Software: β€’ Backend: Node-RED, MQTT, InfluxDB, Eclipse Ditto β€’ Frontend: WebGL-based interface, simulation layers (Gazebo or OpenModelica) β€’ CAD Integration: FreeCAD, KiCAD, OpenSCAD plugins β€’ Hosting Options: Self-hosted on Nextcloud or federated GitLab instances System Architecture: (Diagram Available Upon Request – includes layers: Sensor β†’ Controller β†’ Broker β†’ Twin Core β†’ Visualization Interface) Open Collaboration: Hosted on GitLab under AGPLv3. Contributors can fork twin templates, contribute sensor drivers, or share deployment case studies. Timeline: Milestone Month Architecture & Core Twin Library 0–3 Sensor Integration & Field Testing 4–6 Open Interface & API Layer 7–9 Community Launch + Pilot Sites 10–12 Evaluation Metrics: β€’ Number of machines modeled β€’ Active contributors to twin templates β€’ Real-world deployments in 3+ local manufacturing sites β€’ Feedback from testers (usability, impact) βΈ» Expected Outcomes and Impact Key Deliverables: β€’ Open-source digital twin library for at least 5 OSE machines β€’ User manual and deployment guide β€’ API documentation and sandbox environment Impact: β€’ Field Advancement: Sets a precedent for low-cost, open digital twins in agriculture and fabrication β€’ Education: Used in makerspaces and high schools for STEM and sustainability learning β€’ Open Innovation: Invites global contributions to twin improvements and machine design β€’ Ecological Benefit: Empowers resilient, closed-loop local production systems Evaluation includes: β€’ Pre/post project benchmarking with pilot sites β€’ Usage analytics (download, fork, deploy metrics) β€’ Feedback from educators and OSE contributors βΈ» Partnership and Engagement Plan Key Partners: β€’ Open Source Ecology (OSE): Pilot machine designs and deployment β€’ Local Cooperatives & FabLabs: Testing and training hubs β€’ Educational Institutions: Curriculum integration β€’ FreeCAD/KiCAD Developers: CAD-twin integration Engagement: β€’ Quarterly open dev meetings β€’ Public knowledge base via GitLab + Discourse forum β€’ Documentation translations (Spanish, French, Swahili) βΈ» Budget Overview and Requested Support Total Budget Estimate: $480,000 Funding Request: $350,000 Breakdown: β€’ Personnel (2 FTE devs, 1 PI): $180,000 β€’ Sensors & Prototyping Kits: $40,000 β€’ Software Dev + Hosting: $60,000 β€’ Documentation, Translations, Outreach: $30,000 β€’ Pilot Deployment & Travel: $40,000 β€’ Evaluation: $30,000 Other Support: In-kind support from OSE and local pilot sites (tools, testing, space) βΈ» Risk Management and Sustainability Risks: β€’ Tech Complexity: Mitigated by modular, well-documented design β€’ Adoption Resistance: Reduced via partner engagement and community co-design Sustainability: β€’ Maintained via cooperative funding (patreon-style), plugin marketplace β€’ Long-term alignment with FreeCAD/OSE communities β€’ Training packages for educators and local workshops βΈ» Qualifications and Institutional Resources
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Principal Investigator: Name – Aerospace engineer and founder of Waterside Cooperative Technologies, with 20+ years in technical documentation, civil aviation, and decentralized IT systems. Institution: Waterside Cooperative Technologies – a federated, Teal-aligned engineering hub integrating open-source product development, cybersecurity, and climate resilience. Resources: β€’ Existing Odoo + Nextcloud infrastructure β€’ Internal DevOps and IoT labs β€’ Long-standing ties to open hardware and municipalist networks βΈ» Conclusion and Call to Action This project represents a pioneering effort to unite digital twin technology with ecological machine development in the open-source domain. By supporting this initiative, funders will seed a platform that empowers communities, democratizes engineering, and drives sustainable technology forward. We request $350,000 in funding and partnership to realize this platform and deploy it globally with open-source communities and local manufacturers. Next Steps: β€’ Confirm interest for proposal submission β€’ Arrange preliminary discussion or LOI β€’ Deliver technical sandbox or pilot demo upon request βΈ» Appendices β€’ A. Letters of Support from OSE, pilot sites, educational partners β€’ B. Full Gantt Chart (Available on request or via GitLab repo) β€’ C. References to studies on digital twin adoption, resilience tech, and open hardware innovation
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/5/2025 9:41 AM
well, I think we had this discussion a dozen times though; doing all that 6 years straight, 12/7, cant really say this was any good for us, on the contrary, PreciousPlastic was a good example, of sharks plundering a whole ecosystem, till the last drop, and in the end, nothing ever came back for the public, a massive pile of tech debts,... at tax payer expense Considering that manufacturing has been handed over to China & friends for the last 30 years, and with it all the skills, ... it might probably make more sense to empower small businesses (now struggling) instead (plenty of tools & infrastructure still missing), most folks around 'survive' doing repairs rather than selling new stuff
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As for 'Opensource', it accounts for not even 5% of such activity; electronics, software, ... remains all proprietary, ... and no change in sight
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Digital Twin Platform for Open Source Ecology Machines Principal Investigator: name Institution: Waterside Cooperative Technologies Contact: info@watersidetech.org | www.watersidetech.org Date: May 4, 2025 Proposed Sponsor: Open Source Ecology, National Science Foundation, or USDA SBIR/STTR Program βΈ» Executive Summary Waterside Cooperative Technologies proposes the development of a Digital Twin Platform tailored to Open Source Ecology (OSE) machines. This platform will create real-time, interactive virtual models of sustainable, open-source machinesβ€”such as tractors, brick presses, and solar concentratorsβ€”that enable decentralized engineering, remote diagnostics, and collaborative R&D. Addressing a critical gap in open-source hardware, this initiative will drastically accelerate development cycles, reduce manufacturing errors, and democratize engineering knowledge globally. By combining open-source principles with digital twin simulation technology, we offer a scalable, replicable infrastructure to strengthen local manufacturing, ecological resilience, and global cooperation. βΈ» Introduction / Background Open Source Ecology (OSE) has championed the creation of low-cost, sustainable machines that can be built and maintained locally using widely available tools. However, the lack of advanced modeling and feedback systems impedes replication, iteration, and education. Unlike proprietary manufacturers, open-source developers lack access to real-time digital twins that simulate wear, efficiency, diagnostics, and energy flow. In a time of climate crisis and supply chain instability, this limits community resilience and technical sovereignty. Major institutions including the NSF and the EU’s Horizon initiatives have recognized digital twins as a strategic frontier for industrial innovation, education, and decarbonization. This project aligns squarely with those goals. βΈ» Purpose / Need Statement There is currently no dedicated, open-source digital twin platform for sustainable, modular, open hardware like OSE machines. This absence stifles peer collaboration, slows innovation, and increases cost and complexity during fabrication. Our project fills that gap with a turnkey, interoperable system that integrates IoT, CAD, and simulation layersβ€”while staying true to open knowledge and ecological ethics. This project is timely due to: β€’ The rise in DIY/local production movements β€’ Advances in low-cost sensors and cloud infrastructure β€’ Strategic interest in open-source manufacturing for resilience βΈ» Project Goals and Objectives Primary Goal: To build and pilot an open-source digital twin platform that enables simulation, monitoring, and lifecycle management of OSE machines. Objectives: 1. Develop modular digital twin templates for at least 5 key OSE machines. 2. Integrate open hardware sensors for real-time feedback. 3. Create a web-based interface for visualization, simulation, and community input. 4. Establish API standards for interoperability with platforms like FreeCAD and KiCad. 5. Launch a knowledge commons for publishing, versioning, and teaching with twins. βΈ» Proposed Solution / Project Description Overview: The platform will offer real-time simulations of open hardware toolsβ€”synchronized with sensor data from physical devices. Designed to be deployable in disconnected, rural, and co-op environments, it will use a modular architecture built on open standards.
303adastra 5/5/2025 5:08 PM
Are you looking at any particular SBIR/STTR solicitation? They usually have a list of specific stakeholder needs that they want addressed in proposal submissions
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Are you looking at any particular SBIR/STTR solicitation? They usually have a list of specific stakeholder needs that they want addressed in proposal submissions
they're still doing those? I thought the nsf got massively defunded
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they're still doing those? I thought the nsf got massively defunded
Hence my question, "what solicitation are you looking at?" (edited)
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/5/2025 11:03 PM
I'd seriously ask actual manufacturers or at least folks into trade about this : Technology Stack: β€’ Hardware: Raspberry Pi / ESP32-based controllers, analog & digital sensors, Arduino integration β€’ Software: β€’ Backend: Node-RED, MQTT, InfluxDB, Eclipse Ditto β€’ Frontend: WebGL-based interface, simulation layers (Gazebo or OpenModelica) β€’ CAD Integration: FreeCAD, KiCAD, OpenSCAD plugins β€’ Hosting Options: Self-hosted on Nextcloud or federated GitLab instances
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Sustainability: β€’ Maintained via cooperative funding (patreon-style), plugin marketplace β€’ Long-term alignment with FreeCAD/OSE communities β€’ Training packages for educators and local workshops sorry, but how's that sustainable ? For Total Budget Estimate: $480,000 you could get at least 5 real products on track though ... that's what we more or less spent over the last 6 years
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still dont get it, seems like Opensource is more of a fashion πŸ™‚
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/6/2025 1:01 PM
btw. other than pulverizing donations & taxpayer money, for another POC not being picked by folks in need, 500k would allow to add all the good stuff of Fusion360 & Solidworks to FreeCAD, also enabling the industry/makers to shift to an open system - I'd be definitely happy to give our money to the 'good guys' instead πŸ™‚ Not sure actually what format is needed for that but having needs for gamers, game-devs, makers, ... served in one shot would be awesome ! (edited)
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/9/2025 10:45 AM
Opensource efforts - furniture & chairs (another device that kills you slowly), picked by Gemini-Deep-Research : https://git.polymech.io/polymech/poly-mech/src/branch/master/cad/chairs/resources/designs.md And here the parts : https://www.chairpartsonline.com/ - you'd mass produce those, and yet - most of it not re-usable
Replacement Office Chair Parts for Office Task Chairs & Bar Stools - Repair and Fix Your Chair!
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hr6qmy0yrbee 5/9/2025 10:54 AM
and here another silly attempt of 'unlearning', finding universal design patterns πŸ™‚
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Are you looking at any particular SBIR/STTR solicitation? They usually have a list of specific stakeholder needs that they want addressed in proposal submissions
No, I figured if I proposed something, I’d get info about what they’re actually proposing.
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I'd seriously ask actual manufacturers or at least folks into trade about this : Technology Stack: β€’ Hardware: Raspberry Pi / ESP32-based controllers, analog & digital sensors, Arduino integration β€’ Software: β€’ Backend: Node-RED, MQTT, InfluxDB, Eclipse Ditto β€’ Frontend: WebGL-based interface, simulation layers (Gazebo or OpenModelica) β€’ CAD Integration: FreeCAD, KiCAD, OpenSCAD plugins β€’ Hosting Options: Self-hosted on Nextcloud or federated GitLab instances
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OI4 is based in Europe and wants to focus on open source tools for engineering. (edited)
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Sustainability: β€’ Maintained via cooperative funding (patreon-style), plugin marketplace β€’ Long-term alignment with FreeCAD/OSE communities β€’ Training packages for educators and local workshops sorry, but how's that sustainable ? For Total Budget Estimate: $480,000 you could get at least 5 real products on track though ... that's what we more or less spent over the last 6 years
Open source hardware and software is more sustainable than proprietary
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goldfishlaser#1337 5/10/2025 12:55 AM
https://seedfund.nsf.gov/apply/project-pitch/ if you meant this as a pitch, looks like there are some guidelines to how to structure it worth having a read. Would help you flesh it out I think. (edited)
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https://seedfund.nsf.gov/apply/project-pitch/ if you meant this as a pitch, looks like there are some guidelines to how to structure it worth having a read. Would help you flesh it out I think. (edited)
I’ll take a look at it. The worst that can happen is that it’s a bad idea or someone says β€œno”
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Open source hardware and software is more sustainable than proprietary
TechnoPagan 5/10/2025 12:58 AM
Yeah, but unfortunately, much less profitable (which is all some people care about). The current setup promotes and rewards the most profitable. Prioritizing wealth over survival (go figure)
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OI4 is based in Europe and wants to focus on open source tools for engineering. (edited)
MsRavenBloodmoon 5/10/2025 1:10 AM
Software or hardware, or both?
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goldfishlaser#1337 5/10/2025 1:11 AM
to put your best foot forward you always need to be mindful of establishing a strong alignment between your proposal and the funder's priorities, meeting all theireligibility requirements, and following any guidelines meticulously. The main issue I found with the whitepaper as written is that it doesn't answer a lot of questions I'd want it to answer if I was deciding to fund it. I noticed the questions were well captured in the link I sent so I refer to it for more info.
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Software or hardware, or both?
Mainly software at this point as hardware is limited. When I was working for an aerospace employer, we used proprietary hardware that failed and we had no alternative as the company had been out of business for years. The situation opened my mind up to consider open source hardware, preferably locally based hardware whenever possible.
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Yeah, but unfortunately, much less profitable (which is all some people care about). The current setup promotes and rewards the most profitable. Prioritizing wealth over survival (go figure)
I fully realize that, but I think with the current tariff situation, OSHW has an opportunity it hasn’t had before. Most technology is built in Asia and tariffs make manufacturing there unprofitable, so a US-based producer such as System76 or TrueNAS has a venue. Also, a lot of US defense contractors want US-based manufacturing as Chinese manufacturing has a lot of security and quality issues. (edited)
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to put your best foot forward you always need to be mindful of establishing a strong alignment between your proposal and the funder's priorities, meeting all theireligibility requirements, and following any guidelines meticulously. The main issue I found with the whitepaper as written is that it doesn't answer a lot of questions I'd want it to answer if I was deciding to fund it. I noticed the questions were well captured in the link I sent so I refer to it for more info.
Thanks for the info
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Thanks for the info
goldfishlaser#1337 5/10/2025 1:27 AM
good luck!
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Open source hardware and software is more sustainable than proprietary
hr6qmy0yrbee 5/10/2025 8:05 PM
I hear that word thrown around for 10+ years and still cant make sense of it though πŸ™‚ I've got told that in a rat race like capitalism, the only receipt to succeed is be the best & be unique, especially if you're competing in a niche, or just get started, 'Opensource' doesnt fit very well in there, unless you can afford it. However, most stuff around us is kinda Opensource anyway, let it be part catalogues, standards, regulations, ... or more complex assembly libraries as Grabcad. All designs I had on my table required 3-5 years to master, and in all cases there was nothing much left of the original... After some time, the only Opensource I actually need are detailed processes & material science ( locked up by patents πŸ™‚ (edited)
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I hear that word thrown around for 10+ years and still cant make sense of it though πŸ™‚ I've got told that in a rat race like capitalism, the only receipt to succeed is be the best & be unique, especially if you're competing in a niche, or just get started, 'Opensource' doesnt fit very well in there, unless you can afford it. However, most stuff around us is kinda Opensource anyway, let it be part catalogues, standards, regulations, ... or more complex assembly libraries as Grabcad. All designs I had on my table required 3-5 years to master, and in all cases there was nothing much left of the original... After some time, the only Opensource I actually need are detailed processes & material science ( locked up by patents πŸ™‚ (edited)
goldfishlaser#1337 5/10/2025 8:32 PM
the Open Source Hardware Association has presented a definition of what it is. I think most of us here are in alignment with it.
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Eric Lotze 6/3/2025 5:42 PM
I think i have a wiki page about it around somewhere, but bringing a tent+setup to events like this would be a good thing to do in terms of getting the word out!
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Among Fascists 6/7/2025 8:30 PM
lovely, Gemini @ Cursor rocks, implements, tests me all the stuff I was just dreaming about, 'hacked' together, in ~40 hours or so, would take me more like 4 months ... fine, real-time interface for VFDs (AC motors), PID controllers, next : adaptive hydraulic pressure (hacked bottle jack), modbus-tcp over websocket, ... https://polymech.io/docs/cassandra/manual/, still a bit stuck layering features in <C17, https://git.polymech.io/polymech/polymech-fw-apps/src/branch/cassandra-650-rc3/cassandra-rc2/lib/polymech-base/src/NetworkValue.h (distributed objects), not as fast as OpenTNL but good enough for most couldn't find any standard for signalplots (operator assistence), ... custom GCode would be overkill though ... (edited)
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pretty impressed by the performance of ESP32, currently using 5% just
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most features took just a couple of prompts, great fun watching this πŸ™‚
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Among Fascists 6/7/2025 9:22 PM
here btw. RTTI for the poor man, https://pvs-studio.com/en/blog/posts/cpp/0998/
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Among Fascists 6/7/2025 9:59 PM
OSHW, what a mess actually, even the simplest product,
  • up to 2-3 programming languages
  • 3-4 configuration languages
  • CAD, at least 2-3 different apps, with of course their own scripting languages
  • CAM, 2-3 different flavours - not even touching post-processors
  • electronics, dont get me started
  • micro controllers, another 2-3 languages, not including documentation languages
  • web sites, of course, all incompatible and different
  • sales & support, another 2-3 services, and their own APIs
  • general user documentation, after Jekyll, Hugo, now Astro, ...
  • server adminstration, different dists, shells
  • communication & automation, .... its that easy πŸ™‚ time for a write up πŸ™‚
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OSHW, what a mess actually, even the simplest product,
  • up to 2-3 programming languages
  • 3-4 configuration languages
  • CAD, at least 2-3 different apps, with of course their own scripting languages
  • CAM, 2-3 different flavours - not even touching post-processors
  • electronics, dont get me started
  • micro controllers, another 2-3 languages, not including documentation languages
  • web sites, of course, all incompatible and different
  • sales & support, another 2-3 services, and their own APIs
  • general user documentation, after Jekyll, Hugo, now Astro, ...
  • server adminstration, different dists, shells
  • communication & automation, .... its that easy πŸ™‚ time for a write up πŸ™‚
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Help me understand? What is the issue with having more than one programming or config language or type of software? How does that tie back to OSHW when it's arguably worse in many respects of closed source?
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Among Fascists 6/7/2025 11:26 PM
oh, for me its not an issue, took almost 35 years to learn all that; just wondering how many others might be interested to contribute to such thing. OS as said finds no mentioning, outside software and a few niches at best. in school, as teacher, I had 1-2 out of 30 being actually interest in coding or hardware; I found the whole documentation madness often just in the way creating a great product, not only in big firms but also as OSHW contributor (with no actual intent doing so, more as fun lessons); have seen 100m+ being pulverized that way, often taxpayer money. Never tried Odoo but they promise to help with the idea to market. Design & Docs make just 10% of the entire story though (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/7/2025 11:41 PM
for the interested reader, The C++ Programming Language, bjarne stroustrup, learning the mother language, a real can opener, after that you can learn new languages in a couple of days (not the apis, but for that we have AI now πŸ™‚
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303adastra 6/8/2025 1:18 AM
I hosted a workshop at the Seattle GNU Linux conference last year collecting user stories from the OSHW community as to what we can do to improve the OSHW developer and user experience. If there's a user story that seems missing, you're welcome to open an issue https://discord.com/channels/700486873272811562/700486873272811565/1339848428032888905 (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:19 AM
πŸ™‚ didnt know there's such a thing as OSHW developer but having an OS version Fusion360 (CAM), including their web interfaces would be indeed helpful πŸ™‚ - looks like AI can help with that now too
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πŸ™‚ didnt know there's such a thing as OSHW developer but having an OS version Fusion360 (CAM), including their web interfaces would be indeed helpful πŸ™‚ - looks like AI can help with that now too
303adastra 6/8/2025 5:41 PM
What do you call the people whose projects are published on https://certification.oshwa.org/list?
Easily search a complete list of OSHWA certified open source hardware.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 5:53 PM
dunno, just some guys, sharing their work - no need to put a label on them, I've seen this kind of brainwashing already - feeling kinda trolled πŸ™‚
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PreciousPlastic for instance, we all have been kinda downgraded, as 'recyclers' - often no mention of the actual trade of whatsover but good enough for others to call it 'community', stuff like that πŸ€ͺ
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whilst at it, 'OSHWA certified' : does this mean anything ? most of the silicon on that circuit boards, nor the processes behind are Opensource or certified
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whilst at it, 'OSHWA certified' : does this mean anything ? most of the silicon on that circuit boards, nor the processes behind are Opensource or certified
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:04 PM
It has more meaning than any of your incoherent drivel
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:05 PM
As vc investors may say, we dont care about your certification, but your portfolio - I think the only real metrics what matter are : how many people forked it, improved it, got it to market, ...
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It has more meaning than any of your incoherent drivel
Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:06 PM
hey goldfishlaser - nice to see you back, still didnt get over your last row of insults πŸ˜‰
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hey goldfishlaser - nice to see you back, still didnt get over your last row of insults πŸ˜‰
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:07 PM
I never left
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:07 PM
one thing I noticed, here in OSE, and PP, I am getting permant insulted and attacked - by folks who dont have anything show or something to add ; weird (edited)
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one thing I noticed, here in OSE, and PP, I am getting permant insulted and attacked - by folks who dont have anything show or something to add ; weird (edited)
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:09 PM
Lol, sure, I am not so easily trolled, my contributions are easily found.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:10 PM
the only thing however I hear here is : i should comply, obey, or shutup, should do this, or that - weird
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goldfishlaser#1337
Lol, sure, I am not so easily trolled, my contributions are easily found.
Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:10 PM
great, where actually ?
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was wondering to build a new portal, for makers, and like minded
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:12 PM
You are not likeminded with anyone here. (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:14 PM
yeah, speaking for others, fits πŸ˜‰
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:14 PM
Well, by group definition, people here want to discuss open hardware and the open source ecology org. You believe it doesnt exist and cant wrap your mind around the definition. (edited)
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You just want to post incoherent nonsense from your web scraper.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:17 PM
discuss open hardware : didnt see actually anything at all though, none of the subjects of interest found any interest, let it be knowledge bases, frameworks, ... for small companies, or actual the maker community, designs, new approaches, .... what I hear over and over OSE this, OSE that
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:18 PM
Yeah you are in a group called Open Source Ecology.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:18 PM
yeah, lets call that an idea for now, still no service, tools, or usable designs
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:21 PM
You have created no usable designs.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:21 PM
πŸ™‚ are you trolling ? just sent the 3 extruder to MIT this week, https://polymech.io/
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universities, institutes, small businesses, ...
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:22 PM
Lol cool story bro
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:23 PM
alright, if its ok, I just ignore you - all messages from you today didnt put anything on the table, ...
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:23 PM
Unfortunately for you, I have seen an extruder before so I can see past your bs (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:24 PM
I am happy for you. Anything I can help you with ?
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would need a bit advise with a dispenser / mixing control, via modbus, also for printheads (RGB/YMCK), ..
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industrial robots became pretty cheap, 10-20k by now - open to ideas recycling them, for small businesses
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was wondering to build a new portal, for makers, and like minded
I think this would be a good idea. It seems like there are some fundamental differences in philosophy and goals, between your individual focus and the focus of most individuals in this group. And I feel like this begs a question: why stay? If you feel that your ideas are not welcomed, or that your thoughts do not align with the others in this group... It doesn't seem logical for you to persist
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By creating your own discord server, I feel like you would have a lot more control over the different topics, and you would have much greater opportunity to gather individuals who share your philosophies. (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:33 PM
It doesn't seem logical for you to persist : oh - I dont mind, getting attacked all the time, mostly by the same kind of people πŸ™‚ - lets say, I keep an eye on OSE
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portal, yeah - that idea matured over the last 6 years, had a look at all the other maker platforms, nothing really optimal out there yet -
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Then it begins to feel like your goal is to instigate conflict, rather than working towards true ecological solutions?
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:35 PM
'instigate conflict,' its not me attacking - thats the only thing we see here, just no contribs, code, or designs
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not exactly ideal for a project which claims ownership over such noble idea πŸ™‚ (edited)
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Again, if you are unhappy with a state of things. You are completely free to build your own server which better pursues your goals. Staying here does not accomplish anything for you.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:37 PM
oh it does, it gives me good insights in western culture
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in particular how the next project should look like, Opensource pretty much taking the backseat now - feels more like lalaland to me after all
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Repeatedly presenting AI-intensive designs, which take notable energy to generate (see again: difference in philosophy), do not appear helpful to the work of individuals in this group....? It really feels like your goals and work are not in alignment with this group's ndividuals. And that's okay. We don't have to fit in every group that happens to share an interest with us, you understand?
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It is okay for you to seek other groups of people which better share your ideas. I think it would certainly be more productive for you.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:41 PM
Repeatedly presenting AI-intensive designs ? all our designs are real ... Goals, I am still eager to hear, 'Guenter Baumgart Drama Containment' - another good example of how things work here -
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in particular how the next project should look like, Opensource pretty much taking the backseat now - feels more like lalaland to me after all
Exactly. The reason it feels like that to you, is because it's not the right fit. I believe there are groups out there who would be much more appreciative of your work, and who would be much more willing to work with you on your projects. I feel that you are wasting your time here.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:42 PM
nah, thanks nontheless, still hope direction is changing some day
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Okay. I hope you have a good day.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:43 PM
eg: actual tools, frameworks, desgigns that help - not just for the sake of being 'Opensource' though
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πŸ™‚ are you trolling ? just sent the 3 extruder to MIT this week, https://polymech.io/
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:44 PM
I was trolling a little, ok so I wouldn't mind understanding better. Also for the record the text was very small, you said extruder and then posted a sheetpress and i couldn't read it at first. So I see that you have indeed posted some extruders, and other machines here. This is just a question, not an attack - what role did you play in the making of the lydia machine for example?
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:44 PM
good day, you too ! thanks for efford, appriciated
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what role did you play in the making of the lydia machine for example? design, build, testing, ... all of it,
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 6:45 PM
Ok interesting
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 6:47 PM
next step is to get a clamping module on it, with some luck it spits out parts, all day long - happy that the new firmware/esp32/ai makes that possible now
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Guenter, if you actually do work as often as you claim, why do you never ask for help, try and spread the word, or drum up excitement? Most of your posts here come off as demeaning and rude towards others who may even have some kind of interest in this stuff.
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Feel free to squeeze a few responses in before you’re removed again for ban evasion
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:02 PM
again, its not me, attacking, being rude, or arrogant - just sharing here designs, tools, ....
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anyway, portal : https://grabcad.com/library (place for like minded people πŸ™‚ that could be pimped with all the neat stuff, wiki, AI to decompose binary designs into sources, easy to fork, ... thoughts ?
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anyway, portal : https://grabcad.com/library (place for like minded people πŸ™‚ that could be pimped with all the neat stuff, wiki, AI to decompose binary designs into sources, easy to fork, ... thoughts ?
To be honest, I feel like Stratasys is probably the worst company who could host an OSHW platform. That’s our primary interest here
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Though, like Thingiverse, now that I’m aware of this website I will probably still pop in and out to download files
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:07 PM
well, we could try mockups, skeletons, so easy now to get this going now πŸ™‚
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OSHW as said, to me rather a construct, in the way they got appearently large community now https://grabcad.com/groups , contests, contacts ...
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actually, just great - would love to have this as open system, for copy paste, with APIs, ...
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OSHW as said, to me rather a construct, in the way they got appearently large community now https://grabcad.com/groups , contests, contacts ...
To give you the one paragraph summary of why the OSHW part is very important to what we do here: Open Source Ecology’s mission is to create open source designs of 50 industrial machines that already exist. Because those machines already exist (you can literally buy every one of them on eBay) the important part is the open knowledge, open documentation, cost reduction, and product improvements that come from working collaboratively and openly.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:16 PM
well, I had a look at this tbh. you'd need a machine shop, at least 3 times our size (400sqm), its brutal hard and expensive even for small machines as our extruders, injectors what matters are sales, unfortunately but a good prove that it actually works - from 400+ customers we had, literally no one was interested in the OS aspects, at all, on the contrary actually πŸ™‚
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well, I had a look at this tbh. you'd need a machine shop, at least 3 times our size (400sqm), its brutal hard and expensive even for small machines as our extruders, injectors what matters are sales, unfortunately but a good prove that it actually works - from 400+ customers we had, literally no one was interested in the OS aspects, at all, on the contrary actually πŸ™‚
Yeah, nobody said it’d be particularly easy or cheap
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:17 PM
I'd start with something small, Marcin mentioned this PowerDrill - makes sense, something you could organize from the desk just
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I'd start with something small, Marcin mentioned this PowerDrill - makes sense, something you could organize from the desk just
Yeah I remember those posts too. He was promoting a contest for an open source hand held drill before he pivoted to productization of the Seed Eco-Home
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:19 PM
paying max. attention to the details pays out though - the Powerdrill might be a good start - I love my Milwaukee power drill, 2 years, took all the hits, taps M10, a beast, whopping 400E but worth every penny
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By the way I know that before this you commented on never seeing Marcin in here but that’s because he posts all of his work on the Wiki: https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
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Yeah Milwaukee makes some solid tools
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:19 PM
That would be OSE's first MVP - adding credibility, once done, and good - money comes usually byself πŸ™‚ (edited)
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Crazy that it taps M10
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:20 PM
yeah, you better hold it - otherwise it plays helicopter, with your hand
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:34 PM
OSHW, in the context of '50 industrial machines', I am afraid hardware doesnt work as software, you cant just replicate such designs, unless you have a very good & flexible system allowing & supporting modifications on a local level though. it assumes that the user has access to all the fabrication methods as the designer, and that's hardly the case.
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for instance, welding laser parts together was problably the worst mistake, it often ruined the whole product, leaving me with fixing the fixes, ...
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Yes, I’m aware that I cannot download a tractor. That’s why these 50 machines were chosen - if you had all of them you could do about 80% of tech excluding the silicon.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 7:38 PM
yeah, on the other hand, anyone who could fabricate a tractor, has all the skills, not needing a design though, another lesson I learned - most shops around build increddible stuff, 10T shredders, 5m high, often on the go, ...
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yeah, on the other hand, anyone who could fabricate a tractor, has all the skills, not needing a design though, another lesson I learned - most shops around build increddible stuff, 10T shredders, 5m high, often on the go, ...
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 7:44 PM
Uh, diaagree - I dont have the time to singlehandedly go through an entire development process of making a tractor, but if someone gave me an open design I could make it. (edited)
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OSHW, in the context of '50 industrial machines', I am afraid hardware doesnt work as software, you cant just replicate such designs, unless you have a very good & flexible system allowing & supporting modifications on a local level though. it assumes that the user has access to all the fabrication methods as the designer, and that's hardly the case.
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 7:47 PM
Mach30 is currently creating tooling to make sharing open hardware designs more like sharing software designs. We've mentioned it a few times. (edited)
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Uh, diaagree - I dont have the time to singlehandedly go through an entire development process of making a tractor, but if someone gave me an open design I could make it. (edited)
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 7:52 PM
I didn't have the skills to create a prusa mendel 3d printer, but with an open design, I built one. Even if I had the skills, I would save all the time... I don't even understand how a maker could say such a thing. (edited)
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Mach30 is currently creating tooling to make sharing open hardware designs more like sharing software designs. We've mentioned it a few times. (edited)
Among Fascists 6/8/2025 8:01 PM
great, would love to see this working for Solidworks (sorry, but thats where I need it, product configurators,... see todo list https://git.polymech.io/osr-plastic/osr-cad#todos - got most, could port this to FreeCAD one day) lets say you have those designs, more likely with a lot compromises (making it easy, and accessible, ...), its quite another story to build on that; metalwork is pretty hard, every day, toxic, dangerous, death waiting every corner; PreciousPlastic was a good lesson though, in the end I am routing for outsource all, parts come with more precision, quality, ... OSE wise, I still like the idea, for agriculture, there's still lot on the table, reverse enginereering / recyling all the machines currently in use, as servuce, farmers getting ripped increasingly by sharks, everywhere
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great, would love to see this working for Solidworks (sorry, but thats where I need it, product configurators,... see todo list https://git.polymech.io/osr-plastic/osr-cad#todos - got most, could port this to FreeCAD one day) lets say you have those designs, more likely with a lot compromises (making it easy, and accessible, ...), its quite another story to build on that; metalwork is pretty hard, every day, toxic, dangerous, death waiting every corner; PreciousPlastic was a good lesson though, in the end I am routing for outsource all, parts come with more precision, quality, ... OSE wise, I still like the idea, for agriculture, there's still lot on the table, reverse enginereering / recyling all the machines currently in use, as servuce, farmers getting ripped increasingly by sharks, everywhere
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 8:05 PM
Yeah some of these critiques I agree with. Especially your last point
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 8:12 PM
besides, I consider production, manufacturing, and even engeneering a lost battle, AI & China - I suppose OSE's role could be assistence to sustain existing resources, and assets instead; tapping into the 'system' can be easy as I figure myself πŸ™‚
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besides, I consider production, manufacturing, and even engeneering a lost battle, AI & China - I suppose OSE's role could be assistence to sustain existing resources, and assets instead; tapping into the 'system' can be easy as I figure myself πŸ™‚
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 8:27 PM
Why?
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 8:39 PM
well, at least here, in Europe, boomer money is gone, purchasing power same, manufacturing now mostly done by 4-5 big firms, in most markets , everyone else just surviving,... and with AI, well - we're handing over our last leverage to the elite, intelligence - hard to compete with land/estate, same, going all to large firms, ... service (raw stock) & repair busissness are still doing well (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 8:55 PM
anyway, hard to tell whether history is already written, to me it looks like played out by the books, starting with Covid - I still see chances outcompeting China, and perhaps AI with smart designs, eg: not the most profitable chair, but the best chair ever πŸ™‚ same for that tractor
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 9:34 PM
Global Village Construction Set: perhaps it makes sense to get users (farmers) on board first, developing a design can take 5-10 years to master, I'd consult also folks on every continent to give that idea some weight though πŸ™‚ in the mean-time, US hiphop back to back in China πŸ™‚ - https://www.tiktok.com/@cicizone/video/7492832515359657259
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Global Village Construction Set: perhaps it makes sense to get users (farmers) on board first, developing a design can take 5-10 years to master, I'd consult also folks on every continent to give that idea some weight though πŸ™‚ in the mean-time, US hiphop back to back in China πŸ™‚ - https://www.tiktok.com/@cicizone/video/7492832515359657259
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 9:37 PM
Marcin consults with people all over the world, openly (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:08 PM
great, i guess its Discord then to blame again that they dont stick around πŸ™‚
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Do you think the Discord is where the development happens on these projects? It’s really not
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:22 PM
ok, was just kidding - dont bother - normally we have Slack, Discord for communication, yeh
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:23 PM
He's ignored me when I've tried to explain this is not even an official communciation board for the project.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:24 PM
k, sorry about that too
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k, sorry about that too
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:27 PM
You criticize shit you know nothing about (even though you could if you wanted to because its open) and have no involvement in (even though you could because again - its open), and then you're like "why is everybody annoyed at me?" Because you dont stick to talking about what you know, you criticize shit you're not even working on or educate yourself about, and you try to derail the conversation with politics and personal grievances, and accusations that you're the only one in the world working on anything based on what you see here.
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If you just talked about your machines we'd all be fine, live in peace, and not irritated (edited)
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And its not that you have critiques, we all do, its how presumptuous you are about it when the info is literally a web search away
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:29 PM
wow, most of that 'conversation' I spent defending, against insults & accusations
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:30 PM
You aldo take anything anyone tries to tell you about your behavior as an insult and accusation, when you probably should just reflect on your behavior lol.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:30 PM
didnt even criticize at all, just brought up a few points how to make things better, also for potential users * investors -
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if its ok with you, i just ignore you, ok ?
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great, i guess its Discord then to blame again that they dont stick around πŸ™‚
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:31 PM
This isnt an unwarranted criticism based in nothing? Cool bro (edited)
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didnt even criticize at all, just brought up a few points how to make things better, also for potential users * investors -
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:31 PM
nah bro, you really need to look at your behavior.
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if its ok with you, i just ignore you, ok ?
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:32 PM
Honestly dont gaf do it byeeeee
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:32 PM
what behaviour ? i share here designs, feedback, experience with OS projects - in return I am getting non stopped attacked in the most insulting and arrogant way possible
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what behaviour ? i share here designs, feedback, experience with OS projects - in return I am getting non stopped attacked in the most insulting and arrogant way possible
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:32 PM
lol
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:32 PM
thats what I meant
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re Discord, as a matter of fact, in most cases - yes, I've seen often users walking away from it
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re Discord, as a matter of fact, in most cases - yes, I've seen often users walking away from it
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:34 PM
we were discussing your behavior
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:34 PM
ok, what was bad - again - you guys attacked me, after putting new designs on the table
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ok, what was bad - again - you guys attacked me, after putting new designs on the table
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:35 PM
no. we're helping you.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:35 PM
right, which way ? I still alone with all the todos πŸ™‚
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polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:36 PM
it's also not anyone else's job to help you. Please go reflect and do some work on your behavior versus being continually disruptive .
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:37 PM
i mean, cant tell what your problem really is, or what this is really about - disruptive, again, wasnt me, attacking & insulting whenever possible - still dont get it
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:38 PM
disrupting : what actually ?
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:38 PM
The designs arent the problem, I wouldnt have minded talking about those in a world where he hadnt caused a bunch of issues already and been a serial ban evader.. Legitimately would have liked to learn more about that, but he keeps insulting oshw and ose and then plays the victim when ppl are like, hey you are making an ass of yourself, so whatever dude. (edited)
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i mean, cant tell what your problem really is, or what this is really about - disruptive, again, wasnt me, attacking & insulting whenever possible - still dont get it
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:39 PM
There's a lot of people here who have been extremely energetically generous with you despite your antisocial antics. That you feel entitled to demand energy is problematcβ€”but the problem of anyone else but you.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:39 PM
insulting oshw, thats getting really funny now; are you for real ?
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insulting oshw, thats getting really funny now; are you for real ?
polly (she/her) 6/8/2025 10:40 PM
no, it's reflective. please get your energetic supply needs elsewhere.
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:40 PM
no sorry, i just dont get it - but will keep posting actual designs (edited)
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insulting oshw, thats getting really funny now; are you for real ?
goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:40 PM
You keep asking what is it and keep saying it will never work, and that nobody cares about it, and that its impossible, even though you use the cern license and build using it I dont get it either (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:41 PM
right, CERN, yeah - couldnt find better, was just to have one - no one actually cares, true
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:42 PM
Ok cool.so thats kind of an annoying thing to do, to come here, talk about "likemindedness" when you disagree about everything we do and disagree with the concept of having an organization (edited)
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:46 PM
saying it will never work : never said that ... but, forks, updates speak its own language though. disagree about everything we do : i dont mind what you do, just noticed, its not getting very far there's propably a reason why Grabcad has the largest OSHW community, its stuff folks actually need - and a forum to exchange about - something to learn from
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 10:46 PM
Ok well frankly, I'm gonna go back to working on it and dont gaf it didnt happen on your timeline. Bye
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 10:47 PM
nice meeting you, see ya
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Among Fascists 6/8/2025 11:29 PM
little recap, and perhaps someone explains this to me, OSHW, actually no real meaning except designs are accessible, in some way, often binary or proprietary format, then we have OSHW - just another organization trying to 'standardize' or 'formalize' people's way to contribute, ... aka verified - much like ISO (often unpaid authors) putting pressure on folks who aren't that privileged to do all that steps though (more screentime, more formats, more distraction), and then we have the actual community not bothering about anything of that, companies who produce stuff, sharing designs (GrabCAD). sounds mad to me πŸ™‚ (edited)
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goldfishlaser#1337 6/8/2025 11:41 PM
"Putting pressure"? In what world? Certification is a benefit that lets you get listed in the directory so people can find your project. And it just kicked off - youre naysaying something good as it emerges, which is a cheap shot (edited)
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You keep saying what is oshw? Does it mean anything? Then you shit on an open definition for being an unnecessary "formalization"
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People criticized open source software just like you're doing, said the exact same things (edited)
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We still changed the world and we'll change it again dude with or without u πŸ‘‹
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